Garage Storage Organization and Garage Cabinets

**mopar2ya** · 02-21-2006, 08:44 AM

170 miles, I will absolutely be at SDAC, we will see you there.

Ondonti · 02-21-2006, 05:12 PM

I know this isnt an 8v example, but on the 3.0 we have found with 2.5" exhaust, heavily ported plenum and boltons, that the 58mm tb (unported, so its not really 58) doesnt make more power in back to back tests compared to the 52mm.

Anyways, in australia RPW built a custom log intake to replace the stock intake for mitsubishi applications. The stock sohc mitsubishi tb is like 60mm so its already bigger then what the chrysler 3.0 likes for a tb.

On back to back dyno's the custom intake with 75mm tb took the car from 152 peak WHP to 183 peak WHP on a basically stock (just an intake) car with stock exhaust. The car also made more power throughout the whole rev range by 15-30 whp. I think they put it on a car with exhaust and it made even more power (195ish) but they didnt do back to back tests. I think thats pretty amazing for a sohc since bone stock 24v dohc 3.0's only make 170-180whp and 180-190 with boltons and exhaust.

Anyways, the point is that when you see a powergain that huge and the entire power curve increasing, then you know the intake was successful and its not just a bigger tb (which does nothing on a stock intake). The fact that a bigger TB makes a new intake manifold even better, doesnt mean its not a fair comparision. If the stock intake doesnt see gains from using a bigger TB then thats not the fault of the better manifold.

Daytona5spd · 02-21-2006, 06:41 PM

Fact is If that intake makes more power, I will Buy it!

Steve

**mopar2ya** · 02-21-2006, 08:45 PM

Count on it....

cj011 · 02-27-2006, 03:37 AM

Okay this is an odd one. Why doesn't someone start producing aftermarket cylinder heads with really straight high flowing intake and exhaust ports. Then of coarse one off intake and exhaust manifolds. The Superflo and Autocraft heads have taken the air cooled vw's to a whole new ball game. With a CNC machine I am can't see why this isn't possible. Hell 1000 to 2000 grand for a bad ass head may seem like alot but really isn't in comparison to the performance increase.

**mopar2ya** · 02-27-2006, 09:15 AM

Because TD guys are to cheap....

cj011 · 02-28-2006, 03:21 PM

I am sorry but I don't buy that reasoning all the way. There is a growing number of people droping a good amount of money on standalone and turbo's already. So people are spending the money. The kit would be intake and exhaust manifolds with a distributor mounted on the exhaust cam for the old school td guys. Something could be figured out so a univerals AEM could be used. The base would come with stainless steel valves and from there up to ceramic valves. Hell there would be no overhead. If the plans are already made then person could wait around two weeks for the head to come back from the cnc shop, intake and exhaust manifolds to be made. Someone could advertise 10's with a bolt on package. How fukin sweet would that be. Get Cliff to produce the tranny's. Do a big advertisement in those moronic import magazines about the new products to the TD world and it's set. Hell the SRT-4 guys would jump on board. Hell if the regular TD guys won't do, use the import guys to generate the revenue in order to get the product done.

Austrian Dodge · 02-28-2006, 05:42 PM

no offense but this sounds too easy to me...people who spend thousands of dollars in their cars to make them fast AND relaible aren't nearly that high like on the import market.
Fact is, in relation to - lets say honda - TDs are a handfull out there, so the market is pretty small.
And then just a small amount of that "handfull" are spending the big bucks.

See what I mean? There's just not too many people willing to spend the money and a vendor could not benefit from those few out there.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm really the opposite of a cheap a_s when it comes to my car...I just don't see profit for our vendors and I'd really hate to see one of those few going down just because of that

juxsa · 02-28-2006, 07:31 PM

They need to come out with a 16v kit for 1500-2000. That would be freaking awesome. I have just dropped over 1300 on my short block alone. With the cost of the block from the JY its closer to 1500. I think there are enough of guys like me to possible make a profit on a 16v conversion kit.

letmelogon · 02-28-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by juxsa

They need to come out with a 16v kit for 1500-2000. That would be freaking awesome. I have just dropped over 1300 on my short block alone. With the cost of the block from the JY its closer to 1500. I think there are enough of guys like me to possible make a profit on a 16v conversion kit.

agreed, id be interested in one.

**mopar2ya** · 03-01-2006, 08:09 PM

Its alot more complex than that, youve got oiling holes and cooling ports, cam bore and so on. With TIII and Neon heads any of those are more than capable for a far cry less money than starting from scratch.

If I had won the powerball, it would be a fun endeavor to to though.

cj011 · 03-01-2006, 08:55 PM

The 16 valve packages has been tried twice I think and failed both times. All everyone did was ***** and moan about prices, Sean/Akuma had a big ball of fun with that experience.

turbovanman · 03-01-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cj011

The 16 valve packages has been tried twice I think and failed both times. All everyone did was ***** and moan about prices, Sean/Akuma had a big ball of fun with that experience.

True, but for every whiner, there will be a couple of real buyers.

**mopar2ya** · 03-01-2006, 10:04 PM

Im pretty sure FWDP carries everything to put a neon head on a common block.

turbovanman · 03-02-2006, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mopar2ya

Im pretty sure FWDP carries everything to put a neon head on a common block.

They probably carry most but not all. It would be nice to buy a package-IE manifolds, cam sprockets, lines, fittings, belts, pulleys etc and all you do is supply the head. That would be cool.