Lets clear it up here...

[mopar2ya]

I have no real personal axe to grind with any of the vendors. Ive have some limited dealings with Chris and got what I ordered. Ive done more dealings with FWDP, a few with FM and I have my fall outs with Cindy, and she with me, and more than one. Ive said on open forums the cals Ive had work good, but are really fat under 4000 rpm and didnt like the fan schedule. Now Cindy didnt rush out and bash me, fourm members didnt shield her, she took the criticism and changed the cals.

Im really alot more fair than most would give credit for. I dont work for FWDP, Im not on their payroll, but they are my vendor of choice. I dont act in behalf of FWDP in any capacity. Id bend over backwards to help anyone, and frankly if TUs car broke down at the track, Id probably be the first one to crack open a tool box, or give a tow. We recently did a customers head, and the valves were IN spec by .005, so we stuck new valves in at N/C so it didnt have problems in the near future, the seats were also beat up so bad that the head lost flow w/ a valve job and we put ALL new seats in again at N/C, and did another valve job (thanks Steve at Absolute Auto Machine).

Im the type of guy to call things the way I see them, good, bad or neutral. So I'll make this effort, to keep every post I make on topic even when personally attacked. Im done with the two previous TU rusted clamp posts.

Now I hope come SDAC, you will sit down have a beer and talk shit for a while, even you Chris. And I'll buy. Fair enough.

[glhs727]

I restrained myself as much as possible on the thread that started this despite Chris’ continued attacks on my company. I’m glad the thread was deleted but, I’m not going to let him get away with his same old boyish crap of trying to drag me down to cover his own issues. The only reason FWD was brought up, was that CHRIS brought us into it and others responded accordingly. Frankly I’m sick of it and I wish some of his friends would offer him some friendly advice. He really needs an intervention. It seems to be the same MO, someone complains about their service from TU, and Chris' first reaction is, "oh, yea well FWD does this and that and here is a link...." It’s sad to think he spends so much time archiving old post and inserting them out of context when he thinks it serve’s his twisted purpose. It again perfectly illustrates just how vindictive he is. As does his post about Zajac (90dodgevnt) being a stand-up guy. Birds of a feather I suppose. All Cory did was say they had good service from us, but was unhappy with what they got from TU. Ondonti confirmed that but, somehow that is TU bashing and FWD is behind it all. That is ridiculous and pitiful.

I think the point Wallace was making is that since TU's inception almost every product they have added is a copy of my catalog. When I started, FM was my competition and TU simply brokered turbo’s through a local rebuilder. Remember I was a client. I choose to add products that were different than my competition with better customer service. FM sold JE's, I choose Venolia. They sold their own brand of adj. FPR, I choose accufab. When making the Fidanza sprockets, I worked with LRE, (and they did with FM) to bring these to the market, even when we had to buy the first batch of messed up ones to get good ones made. TU has made it a practice to not find new vendors, but to use the same vendors as I, and just undercut my prices by a few dollars. He can afford to do this because he has no real overhead. Operating out of his home, doing group buys to get pricing and riding the coat tails of his wife.

The latest is the Cometic gaskets. Wallace and I worked together to get the gaskets put into production including a large $$ buy in. When I called Cometic last week, they said they had never even heard of TU. As to the pictures of the fidanza sprockets (getting back to the original topic that was deleted) at first people were like "oohh, look a new product different from FWD.... and a better price" but then when people get it, it is the SAME as we sell. Did TU step up and correct that impression? No. Then everyone realizes that TU took a generic picture and puts it on their site. Why? Probably because he didn't actually have one on hand when he put out the post waiting until he had enough people to pay before he ordered; a roundabout group buy basically. No doubt, it’s the same with the Cometic gaskets. He has none on the shelf but has them on sale. Why? Because he doesn't have a warehouse full of parts. He has a 4 car garage, one side with a dyno (although you can't see it because he takes a picture with the doors close so who knows) and the other side has a couple of cars. What is missing is all the parts he supposedly stocks. Now, I don't have anything against someone running a business out of their house, that’s how I started. But, don't lie to people and make it sound like you are something you are not. Can Chris sell cheaper than I can? Sometimes. He doesn't have a 6000 sqft shop, 4 employees, payroll taxes, insurance, equipment and etc. to pay for. He is a guy that gets your turbo, drives to his friend's turbo shop, where the guy rebuilds it and sends it out. I'm sure Chris never even saw Cory's turbo before it was shipped, and didn't know the clamps were crappy and reused.

I have always been honest about what products we do in house, what products we don't, who our rebuilders are, who our manufacturers are etc... We don't tell people “sorry, we won't tell you where your product comes from”. If Chris wasn't so concerned about his fictitious image, he would have come out and told Cory that he didn't personally rebuild the turbo, his vendor did, and that had he known, he would have replaced the $2 clamp. And you know what, people would have appreciated the honesty, and that would be that. But, no he doesn’t do that, rather he takes the opportunity to cover his mess by dragging FWDP through the mud. He still has no class.

later,
Cindy

[russ jerome]

The old thread was not deleted, it was moved for the time being.

If the moderators as a group (yes there are a few left) can
come to a conclusion on what to prune/delete it will return.
Try and keep this one civil, I havent read it myself yet as it
gets pretty lame quick.......you guys getting the winter blues?

[turbovanman]

And I don't understand all the bashing, it makes no one look good. I say if you have nothing nice to say, just zip it,

I buy from all of you guys as no one vendor has everything, everyone has the same stuff or slight variations, and again, big deal. My choice comes down to who has EVERYTHING I need in one shot or brand preference.

YOu don't see Pep Boys, Advance, Jegs beating themselves senseless even though, guess what, they all carry Felpro, Dart heads etc, you get the point.

You all need to calm down, have a few beers and get drunk,

Anyhow, off home then off to play ice hockey.

[90DodgeVNT]

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Originally Posted by glhs727 I restrained myself as much as possible on the thread that started this despite Chris’ continued attacks on my company. I’m glad the thread was deleted but, I’m not going to let him get away with his same old boyish crap of trying to drag me down to cover his own issues. The only reason FWD was brought up, was that CHRIS brought us into it and others responded accordingly. Frankly I’m sick of it and I wish some of his friends would offer him some friendly advice. He really needs an intervention. It seems to be the same MO, someone complains about their service from TU, and Chris' first reaction is, "oh, yea well FWD does this and that and here is a link...." It’s sad to think he spends so much time archiving old post and inserting them out of context when he thinks it serve’s his twisted purpose. It again perfectly illustrates just how vindictive he is. As does his post about Zajac (90dodgevnt) being a stand-up guy. Birds of a feather I suppose. All Cory did was say they had good service from us, but was unhappy with what they got from TU. Ondonti confirmed that but, somehow that is TU bashing and FWD is behind it all. That is ridiculous and pitiful. later, Cindy

Why drag me into your mess? I am a standup guy, but not to Vendors (specifically you) who are out to do nothing more then bend someone over a table and take their money and not back what they sell or install. With all the vendors I’ve purchased from (LRE, Forward Motion, Turbos Unleashed, Gary Donovan, FWD Performance, Summit Racing, Jegs, etc.) you were by far the worst and the only one I’ve ever had issues with. I am not going to address the rest of your blathering with the exception of your "payroll" of employees. What, are you now actually *legally* paying 18 year old kids (as opposed to under the table as you did before) to solder and take apart your computers for ND cal's anymore? What a piece of work.

I could not hate a person or company more, and anyone that buys anything from FWD Performance is a lemming and needs their head checked

[bradp]

Hey 90DodgeVNT, why don't you play a game of hide and go f*#k yourself. I'm tired of hearing you complain when you owe someone money you deadbeat!!!

[turbovanman]

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Originally Posted by Mike_shepard I bet drunk Ice skating is fun '

My brothers old work used to rent the local arena on Friday nights, we would make up two teams and have fun, alot of gibblers and some who could play but we all had fun, some of us would have a few beers some wouldn't. Then we joined a league so that ended, but I am on another league where we play 3 on 3 and sometimes we go to the nudie bar before we play due to fact most of these games are played Friday night around 8 pm,

[DirectConnection]

Cindy.... Wallace has basically offered to stick his hand out 1st with Chris. Wallace made a nice post and no inuendo's attacking TU or anyone else for that matter. But... you came in here and baited TU. Aren't you tired of all the complaining? I know we are. I am SURE as heck your husband is everytime you come into the house from the shop with new TD updates on all the arguements and happenings.

BTW... the TU copying your inventory is no different than you copying FM's inventory 1st if that makes sense to you.

Like I mentioned in the other thread.... all of this argueing and bickering is attracting a negative attention to yourself (and *ALL* others involved) and your reputation. Negative reputations do not make for a good company, whatsoever.

So... to all those vendors that get caught up in these arguements... do you really think you sold ONE part from your posts on a vendor bashing thread?

I don't think so.

[glhs727]

Appearantly you didn't read correctly. I said I made it a point of NOT copying FM's catalog. IE I sell different pistons, different regulators, different strut bars, different gaskets. I didn't bait TU either. I even stuck up for him when I said, I'm sure he didn't see the crappy rusted piece on Cory's turbo before it went otherwise he probably would have changed it.
later,
Cindy

[The Pope]

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Originally Posted by DirectConnection Cindy.... Wallace has basically offered to stick his hand out 1st with Chris. Wallace made a nice post and no inuendo's attacking TU or anyone else for that matter. But... you came in here and baited TU. Aren't you tired of all the complaining? I know we are. I am SURE as heck your husband is everytime you come into the house from the shop with new TD updates on all the arguements and happenings. BTW... the TU copying your inventory is no different than you copying FM's inventory 1st if that makes sense to you. Like I mentioned in the other thread.... all of this argueing and bickering is attracting a negative attention to yourself (and *ALL* others involved) and your reputation. Negative reputations do not make for a good company, whatsoever. So... to all those vendors that get caught up in these arguements... do you really think you sold ONE part from your posts on a vendor bashing thread? I don't think so.

The only time you even post on TD is to cause or add to a problem. Coping FMs inventory huh, boy thats stupid. Hello brains they are both TD vendors, and they sell parts they don't make like turbos and MP parts. So I guess the MP parts and Konis she shouldn't sell for no other reason tha FM sells them. Smart. Do you own your own business or have ever run one? Cearly you haven't making remarks like these. Companys sell and stock inventory from companys that make parts for our cars. Now whats next on your list, giving Jegs crap because they sell Edelbrock and Holley like Summint Racing? bring FM into this is also pointless in the fact they don't make and build much for older TDs. They are mostly a Neon vendor now and have been for some time. Other than parts they can order or buy for stock thats it. I even tried to buy exhaust valves from them and they wanted to sell me a cut valve blank with a lash cap for $62 a piece LOL.

As time goes on there is going to be more and more parts made for the 2.2/2.5. If any company wants to make a custom part they want to own the rights to they need to pattent it so they have rights to it. Both need to consern them selves with the fact that how popular these cars are getting now and the fact there worth is going up, means a larger market. This is a market race to get the products, and good products to the consumer. Who makes a stupid water neck, oil line or fuel rail first is pointless. Whos cal is worth 5 HP more than the others is also pointless. And people like you can bash Cindy all you want. But if your only going to buy from vendors that can't keep up with demand your going to find your self sitting on your hands. Cindy gets me a cal in 2 weeks or less. If I bought them all from TU The chances that not more than one car would be on the road would be slim. I've bought cals for 6 car in the last couple years, I see people complaining about TU geting them a cal for over a year, Then there is the 3" SVs. I still buy them from TU, more than happy to. But when I hear they are MONTHS out from shipping them, or he made 5 and there all counted for, I do something different. This is a race for the market TU is going to lose making people wait for months. FM just doesn't have intrest in TDs like they did so there leaving on there own. Gary tried selling cals and posi units and many other parts people wanted, he couldn't keep up and caved. I for one really like some of the stuff TU has, I hope they survive not being able to keep up with demand. As much as I like FWD if they're the only "ice water in the desert" things will cost a ton more

[DirectConnection]

Chris... Cindy started the spark to Wallace's white flag, good intentions post. Now you poured the gasoline.

Is there some way FWD and TU could call a truce and let by-gones be by-gones? Start a clean slate from here on out?

[DirectConnection]

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Originally Posted by The Pope The only time you even post on TD is to cause or add to a problem. Coping FMs inventory huh, boy thats stupid. Hello brains they are both TD vendors, and they sell parts they don't make like turbos and MP parts. So I guess the MP parts and Konis she shouldn't sell for no other reason tha FM sells them. Smart.

No S H I T Sherlock! That is the point I was trying to make.

Why don't you rush out to the bookstore and get a copy of: "Dummies for... Dummies" I think you'll find it very refreshing.

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Gary tried selling cals and posi units and many other parts people wanted, he couldn't keep up and caved.

Gary didn't "cave in" Einstein. Gary got sick of selling to idiots, especially a certain one from Spokane.

So in reference of your statement that I only post to TD is to "cause or add a problem" That is not true. You are the problem and I am always forced to play vigilante in response to your brilliant insight.

[DirectConnection]

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Originally Posted by Chris W I really don't have time to post to these pointless threads, yet, I will not standby and allow false accusations to remain undisputed. I have no problem with Wallace other then his stalking and thread crapping issues. I even commended his efforts on the fuel rail. As far as Cindy is concerned, she just needs to stop fabricating these lies and posting them as if they were facts. She needs to focus on her business so she can be more efficient. They both need to stop jumping into my threads and threads about my products so we can get back to doing what we do best. Chris-TU

Don't post in reply to her accusations then. Be the 1st (actually... 2nd) to let it go. The last vendor standing in their accusational posts neck deep will get the black eye... unless they both call some sort of truce of sorts (again with no insults or sarcasim whatsoever.

ps... Chris and Cindy... do you guys really think we read through ALL your lengthy posts aimed towards each other?

[charger R/T]

I want to go sledding with wallace

[Will Martin]

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Originally Posted by charger R/T I want to go sledding with wallace

He probably put a turbo on it!