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post #1 of 6 Old 05-21-2019, 02:20 AM Thread Starter
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Problems With a A413 Transmission 88' Plymouth Horizon

I purchased the car fully aware that it was probably going to need a new transmission, but I would like some enlightenment on what might be happening so I can better my learning on transmissions and perhaps seek a temporary fix, so I can move it to my shop instead of doing my first transmission replacement on a car in the middle of a parking lot .

I purchased my Horizon this past Sunday and drove it the 1-1/2 hours on I-81 back to my place. The following is a description of the issues I was having with the transmission during the drive:

I have to shift manually from 1st, to 2nd, then to 3rd, to get the gear changes to occur. If I leave it in 2nd, the car will actually automatically move from 1st to 2nd 95% of the time. I think I only had one actual failure to go from 1st to 2nd while leaving the gear selector in the "2" position. to successfully shift to 3rd, I have to either only lightly accelerate in 2nd then switch to 3rd, or get up to my desired speed, let off gas and let RPMs drop, then shift to 3rd. accelerating too quickly before shifting into 3rd, or leaving the shifter in 3rd from a stop would usually result in flaring. 2nd seemed to disengage in preparation for grabbing 3rd, but you'd just get revvs like being in neutral. reverse seemed to work fine with no issues. I figured all of this out while I was driving through the town to get on the highway.

driving on the highway, for the first 30 minutes at least, I seemed to be doing fine. merged perfectly, and I didn't dog it from 2nd to 3rd. While driving about 65mph, 3rd suddenly crapped out on me and I couldn't get it to shift from 2nd to 3rd for the rest of the drive. I tried both lowering RPMS while moving, and pulling out to dead stop and trying to start gradually from 1st. We ended up driving the rest of the way in 2nd driving at a terrifying 4k RPMs the whole time lol. After I got off the highway, I couldn't seem to shift it to 3rd at all anymore, no matter the speed or revvs.

We parked it for the day and revisited it the next morning. At this point, I actually couldn't get it to shift into gear at all. When shifting out of P or N, RPMs drop very slightly, like a clutch is trying to grab, but the car barely wants to move. Put it in drive on a flat surface and gas it, the car will move veeeery slowly, and you can rev the turds out of it just like it were in neutral. I'm pretty sure this isn't the car just rolling from being out of park.

Any ideas what might be causing this? From my limited amount of research it sounds like all the clutches are finally gone, or the transmission is clogged with debris now. I really have no idea, since I'm a complete layman. I'm curious to learn. This is also the car I planned to do my first transmission swap on.

Is there anything I might be able to do to temporarily fix the problem to move it to a shop to work on it? I'd certainly prefer to do a transmission swap with a roof over my head and a lift, but I'll do it in the parking lot with jacks if I absolutely have to. I looked around the forum for similar issues and general a413 replacement guides, but to no avail. Any help would be much appreciated.



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Re: Problems With a A413 Transmission 88' Plymouth Horizon

you never mentioned checking trans fluid level ... ?

the good news is an A/T swap is a bit easier than a M/T ..
the bad news is it's still a fair bit of work.

I have A413 parts if yu need ..
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I did actually check the fluid level. Levels are fine, and the fluid is a clean red with no foul odors. There was also no leakage on the ground where we left it overnight. Hopefully i can bang out a swap in a weeked. Been trying to find a guide that has any tips or tricks for a painless removal, as well as what else to do while it's off. I was at least gonna change the rear main seal while i was in there.
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Re: Problems With a A413 Transmission 88' Plymouth Horizon

Welcome To TD!!!

Since you just purchased this vehicle and it appears you are going to keep the car and work on the car yourself you should make a small investment in Service Info.

It will be invaluable to have if/when you need it, like now for instance.
There are two ways to go...

Factory Service Manuals (FSM)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-Chrysl...gAAOSw3qdbR7Od

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-Chrysl...8AAMXQATlRZ-Ay

OR

AlldataDIY
This will have all of the info that all of the FSM's plus TSB's.
https://www.alldatadiy.com/

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Re: Problems With a A413 Transmission 88' Plymouth Horizon

sounds like the apply servos could be just sticking or Valve body shuttles . Definatly , will need a good cleaning and inspection .
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Thanks for the info. I got myself a chilton, but haven't gone down on factory manuals yet.

Are those something i can clean without removing the transmission itself? Haven't gotten my trans yet, so I'll do anything that can be done before taking it off.

Or maybe I'll just take it off now, since it isn't going anywhere.
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