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post #31 of 465 Old 06-04-2013, 09:39 PM Thread Starter
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Well, today I removed the entire dash.
Thank God I followed a TD member's suggestion and,
bought myself the FSM.
The people who designed this car back in the 80s were
obviously not thinking of the guy who may one day have to disassemble it!(lol)
Here's a few pics of the menagerie involved:
Insanely twisted wiring harnesses EVERYWHERE!









Took out the steering column:



Then kind of worked on the panel while it laid on the floor of the car:





And finally, I yanked out the dash, removed the climate control housing
and removed all the "dead weight" sound deadening insulation:




And here's what my interior looks like now:


Lots of cleaning to do and, with the wiring harnesses in hand, I'll make any necessary repairs there as well.

After I consumed more of the small space I work with with interior parts,
I got to the rear interior trim.
It looked like this on the inside of the panels:

(trusty drill mounted wire brush handy)

And now, they are both bereft of all insulation:



I'd love to say, "I'm doing my best to document the work" but, I know I'm not.
It's difficult to remember to snap pics every step of the way.
Sorry about that.
I'll try to cover things better.

Thanks again for checking back.
Have a great night!

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YOW; LOTS of work since my last post.
Sorry about the delay

I'll sum it up with the interior removal completion.
I took it ALL out!
(except for the door panels)

If you're removing the dash, you'll note a VERY thick piece of sound deadening insulation that is behind it.
This "dead weight" is covered in a plether type material and,
weighs about 50lbs!!!
DELETED!!!



Once I got the interior panels into my front porch/auto shop(lol),
I removed the sound insulation from them(dead weight AGAIN!)




^MUCH better


I've been paying a lot of attention to the "Custom Tubular Intake Planning" thread and,
offering my 2 cents here and there.
https://www.turbododge.com/forums/f4/...-planning.html

So far, it looks like I'll be using a 75mm Chevy V8 Throttle body and +40% injectors(that may not be enough, we'll see);
Along with one of the first 10 custom intakes.
My desired HP is 500 at the flywheel and, 400+FWHP.
Along with lots and lots of advise and suggestions here from the guys who've done this,
it shouldn't be an issue.
The people who've offered MUCH of the pointers thus far include the following:
Shadow
The Pope
Una
Dr. Johny Dodge
And several others.
THANK YOU!!!

Stay tuned for more updates.

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Just in case anyone might have one of these,
I need this little vacuum connector.
It's the vacuum line connector that links the vacuum lines over and through the steering column mount:


Actually, I don't need the ENTIRE connector;
All I really need is the little junction piece that has deteriorated:

^As you can plainly see, it's SHOT!(lol)

Thank you, in advance and, have a great day!
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re: 1987 GLHS#0896 Project log

The little ac/heat vacuum harness you are looking for is not at all easy to find in good shape. The years has taken its toll on the material and they are mostly falling apart. I got lucky and found a few cream-puff Omni's in the salvage yard that must have been garaged since new. I think its the heat that ruins them. You can use silicone hose and zip ties to just splice the lines together if you cant find a replacement. It is what I have done and it works just fine.

They seem to be NS1 from the dealer. #3847 629
Item #18 in the attached diagram.
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or you could just delete the whole "dead weight" hvac box and swap over to a non a/c setup (did it to my sons 86 glhs, turned out great) not only do you lose the extra lb.s you gain a ton of under dash space/room, all you need to find is a non a/c donor and pull the dash from it, get the box, controls/cables and venting, also after the dash is pulled from the donor, go under the hood to the cowl and cut the air intake out leaving the cowl attached to it so you can use it as a guide to line up where it belongs in your car, it sounds more difficult then it really is.

oil leak? what oil leak?Oh,that's just SWEAT from ALL the HORSEPOWER this T3 makes...... YEA RIGHT.:rolleyes:

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The little ac/heat vacuum harness you are looking for is not at all easy to find in good shape. The years has taken its toll on the material and they are mostly falling apart. I got lucky and found a few cream-puff Omni's in the salvage yard that must have been garaged since new. I think its the heat that ruins them. You can use silicone hose and zip ties to just splice the lines together if you cant find a replacement. It is what I have done and it works just fine.

They seem to be NS1 from the dealer. #3847 629
Item #18 in the attached diagram.
ILIKESHELBYS, Thanks brother! I kind of figured they'd be a PITA to find.

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or you could just delete the whole "dead weight" hvac box and swap over to a non a/c setup (did it to my sons 86 glhs, turned out great) not only do you lose the extra lb.s you gain a ton of under dash space/room, all you need to find is a non a/c donor and pull the dash from it, get the box, controls/cables and venting, also after the dash is pulled from the donor, go under the hood to the cowl and cut the air intake out leaving the cowl attached to it so you can use it as a guide to line up where it belongs in your car, it sounds more difficult then it really is.
NICE!!!
I wasn't aware of the differences in the A/C and NON-A/C housings.
I figured they'd simply not have the evaporator in the box.

So, I just assumed(you know what happens when I do that(lol) all this.
Now that I know there's a different housing for the Non-A/C cars, I'll try to find one.
Surely if I would've looked in the FSM I have(DUH), it would be in there.

UPDATE: Not going to search out the NON-A/C housing.
Just going to delete parts of the A/C housing.
Basically using the housing as a "template" to fab-up a custom box.
I'll be sure to post the results of that.

Thank you onerippinturbo2
and ILIKESHELBYS

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you my friend are quite welcome. when you actually see the underdash of a non a/c car you will be surprised with all the room there is under there. just remember to get everything remotely related to the heater box, no matter how small, you'll need it to do the swap correctly and have it work as designed.
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These are pics of the mods I've done to the 75mm, GM T/B thus far.

Here, you'll see where I've removed 1/2" of materiel to accommodate the V-Band:
Here's the tool I used primarily:
(Also used the dremmel, the die grinder, and whatever I could find that would remove aluminum(lol)


Also, while making the gap I need, I took time to remove some of the casting lines and marks:







^ That's my dog(Dutchie) up there in the top of that pic!(lol)






I'm sure everyone will enjoy the following three pics:

Can't have that on MY Mopar! ^



TA-DA!!!


Anyway,
I feel good about using this T/B with the V-Band and,
the mods were a piece of cake!
I painted it and, it's drying right now.
Once I have it re-assembled and ready to go,
I'll post it up here.

I had been posting my T/B adventures in the "Custom Tubular Intake" thread but,
I felt that I was taking up too much valuable space there.
So, since it'll be part of my GLHS, I put it here.

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your 75mm TB info wasnt taking up space at all in the intake thread! but i totally see how youd rather put it here. this is an awesome build and i cant wait to see how your car turns out, and the 75mm TB.

btw i got my 3" elbow today, it was $24.95 shipped so a couple bucks more than the one you PM'd me. it looks good (3" IS HUGE)..so we have at least one elbow source...the one you PM'd me has beaded edges which is a very nice feature for intercooler stuff..ill keep that in mind especially since 3" intercooler tubing becomes sort of mandatory once the TB is 3" (75mm) lol

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Not too shabby for a JUNKYARD piece that cost me $15.00!!!






This is what I do;
I find stuff that I can refurbish(in true Mopar form(lol) and,
I fix it up to use it!

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sheeeeit that things ginormous..

and looks great!

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Wow! That's a serious project you got going on there signsoflife22! I'm just beginning mine. I was able to get GLHS #0083. Turns out, you are about 2 hours away from me. I'm doing mine as close to original as I can, but I still may bounce some ideas & questions off you. You're welcome to do the same. Good luck.
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Wow! That's a serious project you got going on there signsoflife22! I'm just beginning mine. I was able to get GLHS #0083. Turns out, you are about 2 hours away from me. I'm doing mine as close to original as I can, but I still may bounce some ideas & questions off you. You're welcome to do the same. Good luck.
Anytime!
As you read here, I'll be kind of "removing" a lot of the GLHS original stuff.
So, if you're looking for anything(Like the engine(lol), let me know.

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Got the 4" V-Band flange and clamp today($38/shipped on eBay):
It comes with the flange with rubber seal between the flange halves and, the clamp


Traced the flange around the T/B and, ground the excess material:
Marked off the areas to be removed with my trusty red sharpie!






Using the flange half with the seal and, the T/B "edge" as the inner flange half,
It creates a V-Band set-up that will hold the air intake plumbing tight and secure to the T/B:











The TPS must be installed AFTER the V-Band is secured.
(small price to pay for the great set-up)

Note; This is just the flange half.
When I actually install this, I'll use a preformed V-Band pipe as my air intake.






OK, that's the direction I've decided to go in.

Thanks for looking and, check back for updates often!
Have a great day!

7-25-2013;
The 4" VBand was TOO BIG!!!
So, I'll go down to a little 3.5" VBand set-up.
Once I get it here in the mail, I'll post up the differences.
If my measurements are correct, this thing is going to fit like a friggin glove!!!
So, stay tuned.

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Got the 3.5" V-Band clamp and flange(s).
And my prediction was correct!
It fits like a friggin glove!


However, this is the only pic I have^ as of yet.

See, once the 3.5" V-Band came, my gears started to turn again.
Remember the 1/2" "lip" on the 75mm T/B?
You know, the one that everyone had trouble with?
Well, since the 3.5" V-Band arrived, I've decided to DELETE the lip completely!
NO LIP!
The outer edge of the T/B will now be the retaining V-Band flange.
I've got it set-up and, nearly completed but,
it's a PITA without a resurfacing machine.
I initially hack-sawed the lip off and, have since been grinding the T/B
on the side of my bench grinder's wheel to remove the left-over lip.
It's coming along quite well and, I can already see that this will be SCHWEET!

On another note:
I recently purchased parts of the cooling system I'll be running.
It's basically the GLHS water pump with an aftermarket(Mishimoto) Neon SRT-4 radiator and,
dual 12" cooling fans.




The issue I had there was how to set-up the radiator cap.
Because as anyone who's familiar with the Neon knows, there isn't one on their radiator.
Neons use a specially designed thermostat housing that incorporates the cap as well as the upper hose flange.
I had to figure a way to use this radiator because as anyone who's familiar with the "L" bodies knows,
that long, lower hose is a bit of a.........well, you know.
Check out the positioning of the in/out flanges on the radiator^...
Pretty AWESOME for the "L" body, no?
So, all I'll need are two pretty short hoses and some way to incorporate a radiator cap.

Not a problem.
I found this little gem at Summit Performance:

I may build some kind of bracket for it or, just use it inline in the upper hose.
The thought of some type of custom support bracket that attaches via
the stat housing hardware has been floating in my head.
Or maybe making the TU stat housing I already have and, the above part, ONE PIECE!
Either remove the end of the stat housing or remove one of the inlet flanges from the Summit piece and,
have them TIG welded together.

I guess we'll see when I actually get to that part of the build.

Thanks for checking out the GLHS's progress and, stay tuned!
Have a great night!

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