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06-13-2019 08:04 PM
86GLHS481 Yes it's a Felpro. Great, thanks!
06-13-2019 06:57 PM
NAJ
Re: Side Cam Cover

If that is a Fel-Pro seal use it, should be fine.
06-13-2019 03:29 PM
raccoon1
Re: Side Cam Cover

I can't fathom why not, Ship it!
06-13-2019 03:20 PM
86GLHS481
Re: Side Cam Cover

Quote:
Originally Posted by NAJ View Post
Two Things...
1)It is common for the Cam Plug to blow out from age alone.
Mine blew out on my way to work about 15 years ago, there was never a leak and there was no warning.
Luckily I was only about 1/2 mile away from work when it happened, I lost over 2 qts of oil in that distance.
Cleaned the engine compartment, removed all grease/dirt from the plug area with Brake Cleaner, installed the new plug and have been good ever since.

2)There are two different Seals listed in the Chrysler Parts Catalog but only one Plug.
If you have seals they are color coded.
Which did your car have?
If it has a Cam Plug then this is what you need.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...lar+plug,10426

And as someone already stated you will need to use a Non-Hardening sealer on the outer edge to help keep the plug in place.

https://www.permatex.com/products/ga...-no-2-sealant/

OR

https://www.permatex.com/products/ga...ealant-liquid/

Attachment 254351
Just a quick question. The new cap is slightly shorter than the old one. Will it be ok?
06-11-2019 04:48 PM
86GLHS481 Gotcha, thanks. I may have something in my hardware shop of a garage that will cover it.
06-11-2019 03:15 PM
4 L-bodies
Re: Side Cam Cover

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Originally Posted by 86GLHS481 View Post
On a side note, does anyone have a spare timing mark cover?
Your original was plastic. They melted just from normal operating temps. At one time Omni-Potent either made them or was thinking of making them. Check their website. Mopar later went to a piece of closed cell high density foam. Your best bet is to look in salvage yards for one. Many of those are missing too.
06-11-2019 02:55 PM
86GLHS481
Re: Side Cam Cover

On a side note, does anyone have a spare timing mark cover?
06-11-2019 01:11 PM
4 L-bodies
Re: Side Cam Cover

Quote:
Originally Posted by NAJ View Post
...2)I do not completely agree with this statement.
IMO, you are going to the extreme and planting ideas in the OP's head that the engine may be on its last legs when there is no evidence of that.

3)I do completely agree with this statement because I lived it.

IMO... (Based On The Engine and Systems being Stock
Replace the plug and move on.
If there is no oil in the airbox, no blowby seen with the engine running and the oil cap removed, the plugs are not fouled and the PCV valve moves freely and the line is not collapsed and the grommet is properly secured and not cracked then chances are there are no excessive pressure issues, just age.
Jan,
Never implied that anything besides crankcase pressure and old cap/adhesive were to blame. Well that and the drivers right foot (lol). Just gave possible reasons for crankcase pressures. No doom or gloom. OP told us in first post that he was running high RPM's and being a turbo that would mean it was seeing boost. OP was looking for reasons why it came out and solutions.

Like I said before, I don't subscribe to the pound em in install that even the factory seems to endorse. I take the valve cover off, cam cap off. clean it, seal it with thin bead of RTV, assemble, torque the cap on, let it dry, and it will never pop off again.

An alternative option that won't fail as previously mentioned is to run a rear cam seal not a rear cam plug. That won't pop out either. Might weep as seal ages, but won't fall out as there isn't enough surface area for crankcase pressures to act on it.

So all you guys that pound them in, you do know that most of your adhesive (RTV or otherwise) is wiped away because of the interference fit of the cam plug? So then when you lose a clutch disk because you weren't running a timing mark cover, or worse yet, lose a engine because you ran it out of oil because of that pesky rear cam plug popped out, know that you could have prevented this by IMO, a better method of installing that rear cam plug. Just sayin...

To me, pounding cam plugs in, is like doing a slip-n-slide head gasket change. Will it work? Yes, at least for the time being. Did the dealer service techs use this approach? Of course, time is money. Would they do that on their own vehicles? Not likely, as they should know there is a better way.

Is there a better way? IMO, yes, but what do I know?
06-11-2019 10:54 AM
NAJ
Re: Side Cam Cover

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4 L-bodies View Post
1)Has anyone ever had the right side seal blow out like the left side?

2)Crankcase pressure caused this. Worn rings, large compression ring gaps, guides, bad PCV valve, tired motor, excessive boost pressures, blown head gasket, all can contribute to forces (pressure) acting on the plug.

3)The plug ages, shrinks a bit, adhesive gets old, and plug pops out when enough pressure is applied to the back side of the plug. That is why NA cars can and do this too. NOT rocket science...
1)Yes and No...
It did not pop out but started leaking like a sieve, again, without warning.

2)I do not completely agree with this statement.
IMO, you are going to the extreme and planting ideas in the OP's head that the engine may be on its last legs when there is no evidence of that.

3)I do completely agree with this statement because I lived it.

IMO... (Based On The Engine and Systems being Stock
Replace the plug and move on.
If there is no oil in the airbox, no blowby seen with the engine running and the oil cap removed, the plugs are not fouled and the PCV valve moves freely and the line is not collapsed and the grommet is properly secured and not cracked then chances are there are no excessive pressure issues, just age.
06-11-2019 10:53 AM
86GLHS481 Understood. Thanks for all the replies and education. Yes, I have the plug, see pic. Will get new and seal things up.
06-11-2019 10:31 AM
4 L-bodies
Re: Side Cam Cover

85 & older used a rear seal. 86+ used a cam plug. You can use either. 85 non air pump engines used a plastic cover so you wouldn't see the camshaft end spinning. Think of it as a dust shield. I mentioned the seal as an alternative option to never have to deal with the plug blowing out again. Has anyone ever had the right side seal blow out like the left side? No, that was my point for an option of never having this happen again. Crankcase pressure caused this. Worn rings, large compression ring gaps, guides, bad PCV valve, tired motor, excessive boost pressures, blown head gasket, all can contribute to forces (pressure) acting on the plug. The plug ages, shrinks a bit, adhesive gets old, and plug pops out when enough pressure is applied to the back side of the plug. That is why NA cars can and do this too. NOT rocket science...
06-11-2019 10:12 AM
Dr. Johny Dodge
Re: Side Cam Cover

likely , the over size seal is for a cam and head with oversize journals

sadly cam markings mean nothing in our cars EXCEPT the marking of an oversized cam / head assembly
those are best avoided for anything other than basic auto repair for someone's daily driver

though the real reason for their existence is the use of more castings ..slightly further out of the prefered tolerances at the time of manufacture
06-11-2019 09:52 AM
NAJ
Re: Side Cam Cover

Two Things...
1)It is common for the Cam Plug to blow out from age alone.
Mine blew out on my way to work about 15 years ago, there was never a leak and there was no warning.
Luckily I was only about 1/2 mile away from work when it happened, I lost over 2 qts of oil in that distance.
Cleaned the engine compartment, removed all grease/dirt from the plug area with Brake Cleaner, installed the new plug and have been good ever since.

2)There are two different Seals listed in the Chrysler Parts Catalog but only one Plug.
If you have seals they are color coded.
Which did your car have?
If it has a Cam Plug then this is what you need.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...lar+plug,10426

And as someone already stated you will need to use a Non-Hardening sealer on the outer edge to help keep the plug in place.

https://www.permatex.com/products/ga...-no-2-sealant/

OR

https://www.permatex.com/products/ga...ealant-liquid/

Attachment 254351
06-10-2019 06:17 PM
86GLHS481 One more question. It looks like there are two different plugs listed. One is 52.4mm and one is 53.5mm. Mine is the smaller one, part number 4343903. Could it be that it's just a bit small and the reason it came out?
06-10-2019 09:56 AM
86GLHS481
Re: Side Cam Cover

Great, thanks for the help everyone!
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