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87 CSX + GRAINGER VALVE=how much boost

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I have a 87 CSX,my solenoid that controls the turbo wastegate went bad so I put a grainger valve and works great.I have the boost set a 13 pounds and was wondering can I go to 15 pounds of boost or it may lean out because it has the stock logic module.I have a new up grade performance CSX stage II logic module I can put in the car but do I have to have a working solenoid for the wastegate for the new logic,and I read the new performance stage II logic module gives you more boost to 15 pounds,advance timing and leans out the fuel alittle to give you more horsepower so will this be good for a grainger valve or keep the old logic module in the car to be safe on the timing and richer fuel
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Put the new ecu in, and use the grainger @ 15psi, run premium gas.
Without the solenoid the ecu can't pull boost in the event of detonation but with an intercooler and premium 15psi should be fine.
Put the new ecu in, and use the grainger @ 15psi, run premium gas.
Without the solenoid the ecu can't pull boost in the event of detonation but with an intercooler and premium 15psi should be fine.
with out the solenoid being used and I am using my grainger valve what advantage is the CSX stage II logic module has over the stock one in my car,and yes it has a intercooler
with out the solenoid being used and I am using my grainger valve what advantage is the CSX stage II logic module has over the stock one in my car,and yes it has a intercooler
Stock module is calibrated for a certain psi at wide open throttle, the fuel and spark curves will be for that psi. The new ecu is calibrated for the same 15psi you want to use (and the limit of a 2 bar map) so even though the boost is controlled by the grainger instead at least it expects 15psi and will use corresponding spark and fuel curves. Plus you'll get a tiny bit more power from the more aggressive tune.
MP +20s, 3 bar map, FWDperformance stage 5 and 2.5" exhaust for 20 PSI.

The MP computer is great, but you run cheap gas and your pistons will look like my brothers 87 CSX. If you want more power and boost just go 3 bar and your good, the old 87 computers are cheap to get a new cal for.
I don't know CSXs, but I think your '87 would have the 27 lbs/hr injectors, I don't think I would push those to 13 psi for anything longer than a boost surge. Maybe some stock T1 injectors (33 lbs/hr) from a later year ('89+) would be in order before you try pushing to 15 psi or better.....
CSX, and GLHS use a 32 lb injector and the later T2s use a 34.5 lb injector. The 27s won't even go in with the clips being wrong for the rail
Stock module is calibrated for a certain psi at wide open throttle, the fuel and spark curves will be for that psi. The new ecu is calibrated for the same 15psi you want to use (and the limit of a 2 bar map) so even though the boost is controlled by the grainger instead at least it expects 15psi and will use corresponding spark and fuel curves. Plus you'll get a tiny bit more power from the more aggressive tune.
If the solenoid is not hook up how will the new logic module II know how much boost is going in the engine to control the corresponding spark and fuel curves? ,from some intake pressure sensor:shrug:
the computer will still see how much bootst is going into the engine via the map sensor, put it in, you will love what it does, higher boost limit, higher rev limit,more fuel when needed,more aggresive timing advance tables, you wont be disappointed and it will make it a safer ride.
I have log T1 27lb injectors in a 2.2.
I had em cleaned and flowed, replaced the pump, sock, filter, and regulator.
I had enough fuel for 14lbs with a 12lb stage-1 fwd cal.
the computer will still see how much bootst is going into the engine via the map sensor, put it in, you will love what it does, higher boost limit, higher rev limit,more fuel when needed,more aggresive timing advance tables, you wont be disappointed and it will make it a safer ride.
I will change the logic module tomorrow with the new CSX stage II,Thanks for the great info:thumb:
I've got the stage 2 MP module, +20's and a G-valve on my 87 CSX. I've got it set to about 15psi, pulls quite nice :thumb:
I've got the stage 2 MP module, +20's and a G-valve on my 87 CSX. I've got it set to about 15psi, pulls quite nice :thumb:
If I turn the boost to 15 pounds with the new stage II logic module Im I going to need to get a set of +20 injecters or is the stock 32 pounds good enough
the stock injectors should be ok to 15 psi, but i wouldnt push it past that without a wideband and +20's. lmk if you are looking for a set of them, i got a few brand new sets still in the box they came in from mopar i'd be willing to sell cheaper then others will.
I would go with the +20's, I was running 15 with stock 33pph injectors, but that was pushing it. It's a WORLD of difference with the +20's
I've been looking at the posts about the "grainger" bleed off valve to increase boost. Where can I purchase one? Also, do I need to purchase a hp logic module (inside car), or hp ECU (under hood), or both to run 15psi boost?
I've been looking at the posts about the "grainger" bleed off valve to increase boost. Where can I purchase one? Also, do I need to purchase a hp logic module (inside car), or hp ECU (under hood), or both to run 15psi boost?
running 15 PSI your running on the edge and past 2 bar. Your aiming for the end of your fuel and spark curve and right on the edge of boost cut out. So in this day and age your not doing your self a favor running a T2 car like that. Run the +20s, 3 bar map and the stage 5 computer. Run it hooked up to the computer, not with a MBC / grainger. When you detonate and you are manual controling the turbo, the boost doesn't get pulled and you melt / break the engine. Not to mention part throttle boost is 15 PSI and your chewing fuel. Part throttle set at MP 7 PSI or FWD 10 PSI is MASSIVE in mileage around town.
If you're running the 84 as in your signature,you can't go much over 12 psi even with a MP computer LM(inside the car). You will hit boost cutout around that (12psi)
Thanks for the feedback! I'm actually going to use that engine in a Dodge Ram 50 for 3000# 2WD light truck pulling. I'm thinking about using the 40% injectors, intercooler, P4529872 logic module, P5249511 fuel pump, and Dawes Device boost controller. The run will last less than 20 seconds, so even 18 psi (if I can achive that much) with 118 octane racing gas shouldn't hurt anything.
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