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Oh, I spotted it. That's a treasure trove in the picture.

See that T3 drip-pan? My second Spirit R/T was making this really weird musical sound during turns at low speed. It sounded like "boooooop booooop booop boop". Turned out that the drip hose fell off of the drip tray but was still being held by the strap in the middle. The end of it was touching the inner part of the CV axle, which was playing it like a flute.
Most of that stuff is gonna go into a trash bag in my yard for the Winter if anyone wants anything let me know. I only care about the mechanical parts there's a crate of sensors fuel injectors etc. And that blue box is all digital dashes...
 

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Just the switch in that is worth some money if it stays clicked in the left and right positions. Here in VA, it must stay clicked, but it doesn't have to return if the steering wheel turns back. It could be a lifesaver for someone with the 90's interior.
 

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Just the switch in that is worth some money if it stays clicked in the left and right positions. Here in VA, it must stay clicked, but it doesn't have to return if the steering wheel turns back. It could be a lifesaver for someone with the 90's interior.
Yeah I was gonna post everything but you know how people are with these cars I put a A555 up for any price nobody wants it I'm probably just gonna pull the shafts out of it and scrap the case. Too much hassle to ship stuff especially if it's big/heavy.
Those T3 cam gears if no one wants em and they are 8V size on the outside I'll drill em out to fit on a 8V cam. They are too small inside just tried on a slider Cam in my scrap pile 😆
 

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Yeah I was gonna post everything but you know how people are with these cars I put a A555 up for any price nobody wants it I'm probably just gonna pull the shafts out of it and scrap the case. Too much hassle to ship stuff especially if it's big/heavy.
Those T3 cam gears if no one wants em and they are 8V size on the outside I'll drill em out to fit on a 8V cam. They are too small inside just tried on a slider Cam in my scrap pile 😆
If they are not claimed, what do you want for the cam gears?
 

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Well, my goal for the 16v Spirit is just to make it stock for the most part. I'm running a Stage 1 cal and the required +20 injectors to have the max boost raised a bit, but I'm not doing anything else to tweak it. In fact, if I ever switch the 8v R/T to 16v, I'll probably do the same in it. It's above my pay grade. (-:
 

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Well, my goal for the 16v Spirit is just to make it stock for the most part. I'm running a Stage 1 cal and the required +20 injectors to have the max boost raised a bit, but I'm not doing anything else to tweak it. In fact, if I ever switch the 8v R/T to 16v, I'll probably do the same in it. It's above my pay grade. (-:
Well hopefully those diagrams help u get it running right. If u change ur mind I got this thing too might be for a T3 or Srt.
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I haven't gotten any further diagnosing the sensors, because now it seems to have another strange problem I can't figure out that only happens when the car's moving. It...sounds like there are squirrels being flung around inside the engine bay, bashing into everything, and it runs at about 500 RPM. I have no other way to describe it...it's like the car is being run by a series of squirrels spinning on a stick. It only does that while it's moving...it idles just fine. 😟 I would have thought it was drivetrain, but the gas pedal seems to do nothing but change the throttle tone once it's rolling, and the outside parts all look just fine. Nothing under the hood looks out of place either. I haven't the foggiest clue, but it sounds like things are being broken.
 

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I haven't gotten any further diagnosing the sensors, because now it seems to have another strange problem I can't figure out that only happens when the car's moving. It...sounds like there are squirrels being flung around inside the engine bay, bashing into everything, and it runs at about 500 RPM. I have no other way to describe it...it's like the car is being run by a series of squirrels spinning on a stick. It only does that while it's moving...it idles just fine. 😟 I would have thought it was drivetrain, but the gas pedal seems to do nothing but change the throttle tone once it's rolling, and the outside parts all look just fine. Nothing under the hood looks out of place either. I haven't the foggiest clue, but it sounds like things are being broken.
Does it still drive fine?

Try removing the trans cover. Might be something fell in the timing hole is banging around...
 

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No, it feels like it dragging a tree. It doesn't make any sound when it's sitting and idling.
Is oil pressure good?

I heard those T3 motors eat intermediate shafts. And it has no distro it uses a crank sensor so it can run without it.

Does it have a cat? Maybe broken clogged?

Check timing marks,compression, spark/fuel on all cylinders and codes?
 

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Yep, that was the first thing I was worried about. Oil pressure was the same as usual. The cat has maybe a thousand miles on it, and it sounds totally normal when it's not in motion. I drove home in the 8v RT, so I'll have to continue working on this thing later on. I've never had anything like this happen in any car before. It was like I had a washing machine washing shoes instead of an internal combustion engine.
 

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Lots happened, so I'm going to try to summarize. When I went to look at the car today, it wasn't having the weird car-wash-under-the-hood sound. Looking around the engine bay, I found about a 2 inch tuft of black fur and little fibers all around. I think the "squirrel" sound may have been a squirrel. It was still idling very rough and had no power. Turned out the IAC was completely sludged up and stuck. I picked one from another T3 intake, and it was broken (burnt out and wouldn't move), so I cleaned out the old one the best I could. That fixed the idle. Power was still minimal. I replaced the throttle body, just in case there was any sludge left in crevices. It idled and revved fine but had very little power under boost...on a hunch, I replaced the coil pack, and power came back.

Going back to the buck/surge problem, I backprobed the 5v at the TPS and on the SBEC. Both stayed incredibly stable, between 5.02v and 5.04v. I backprobed the VSS and also got 5.04v, though I didn't do a driving test on that one. The connector didn't look great, and there was a corroded looking part of wire, so I replaced the VSS connector with a cooling fan connector and pigtail. (It's much heavier gauge wire. I just had to shave one ear off.) I soldered a long segment back close to the SBEC. It seemed to have better power (though still irregular).

By this point, buck/surge problem is still there...but a new problem arrived. When I have my headlights on and I click a turn signal, that side headlight would turn off. Also the gas gauge was flying all over the place. I went back over all of the grounds again, sanded them down and attached fresh ground straps to bare metal. The headlight and gas gauge problems went away.

I ran out of daylight and patience for today, but as it sits, it seems to have smooth power at acceleration about 90% of the time, though the buck/surge problem is still present. I'm just gonna say that this is how these cars are supposed to run. shrugs

@arieskcar The wiring diagrams proved extremely useful! I was able to read them...though I'm pretty sure one page calls one of the reference lines 9v and the next page calls the same line 8v. (-:
 

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It's dead again. I think I found a buyer.

I hate T3.
I think it's cursed. Best to let the next owner do a exorcism. I had a few cursed cars before and it was a money pit headache till the end.

Funny one was a 86 Escort barely ran and trans refused to shift (just like my Tempo).Money pit so Drove it to the junkyard and a guy asked to buy it wanted to test drive it before I scrapped it. He came back 5 minutes later and the auto shift knob popped off wtf and I let the crusher have it...
 

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An 87 Escort was my first car. 1.9, 4-speed manual, 2 door hatchback. I loved that car! Boy did it break down a lot, haha! I still had a lot of good memories and would probably waste good money to get another one today if I could.

I shoved the 16v out of the way and took the intercooled 8v Spirit home. At 13.5 PSI, it's much stronger than that 16v ever was...and a million times more reliable. It's got the engine from the 89 LeBaron, which was also cursed.
 

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It appears the sale has fallen through, even though I would have taken a loss of several thousand... sigh I might try to pack it full of T3 radiators, blocks, heads, etc., and ship it out to Jackson Simler.
 
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