How to race a TD from a roll - BadAss Style!

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badassperformance

Discussion Starter · May 16, 2005

I see so many of you folks that end up racing from a roll, so I thought I'd let you in on one of my mad skillz.

It is really simple when you get used to it, but it takes some practice. It works with BOTH manual and automagic transmissions. It may cause some extra wear and tear on your vehicle, but you shouldn't care about that cause you're racing!

Step 1: Pull even next to competitor and even up to make eye contact or whatever to initiate the 'challenge'.

Step 2: Select a gear where you're running at good 'boosting' rpm like 3000, D also works for automagics.

Step 3: Simuletaneously begin pressing the brake with your left foot and gas with your right foot, modulating both so that you stay even with the unsuspecting victim while starting to build boost, as much as you feel safe with.

Step 4: Let them have the Crack - less excuses afterwards this way.

Step 5: Launch as soon as tehy go and drive around them.

Step 6: if you have a manual trans, remember that immediately after this your left foot will be back on clutch duty.

And there you have it.

So go try it and let me know how it works for you. If you appreciate your newly learned skill, please provide positive feedaback to me on this thread!

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iTurbo

· #2 · May 16, 2005

I have tried something like that but it definately takes some practice. My cars all have the heel-and-toe pedals, so it's possible to do the gas/brake with your right foot, although I can see how it might require both feet to get the pedal modulation down good enough that you can still pace the other guy. I'm going to have to try this some more!

sdac_guy

· #3 · May 16, 2005

Hmmm .... coincidentally I just posted that same technique earlier this morning in a thread in the lounge, post #49 in: http://www.turbododge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87124

The heel/toe doesn't really get it because you need to have the car at WOT and the foot firmly on the brake to hold the car back (not using a delicate balancing act like in autox or road racing). That way you have full boost when you let your foot off the brake and the car just leaps forward. I've used this trick since 1995 or 96 which is about when I first learned of it.

So JT, does that make me a "BadAss Racer"?

Barry

badassperformance

Discussion Starter · #4 · May 16, 2005

sdac_guy said:
Hmmm .... coincidentally I just posted that same technique earlier this morning in a thread in the lounge, post #49 in: http://www.turbododge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87124

The heel/toe doesn't really get it because you need to have the car at WOT and the foot firmly on the brake to hold the car back (not using a delicate balancing act like in autox or road racing). That way you have full boost when you let your foot off the brake and the car just leaps forward. I've used this trick since 1995 or 96 which is about when I first learned of it.

So JT, does that make me a "BadAss Racer"?

Barry

You've got some BadAss skillz bro! :thumb:

I just read your other post and I never thought of using the tecnique for that purpose but will keep in in mind. I guess great minds think alike!

Been driving with two feet for the 11 years that I've owned turbo cars. never thought of sharing until I saw so many 'race from a roll' threads...

saw wave analog

· #5 · May 16, 2005

brake boosting :thumb:

88shelby-t

· #6 · May 16, 2005

Wow nobody uses that?? Its freakin fun to use it though. Brake boost = rockin from a roll. Don't modulate the throttle unless you are in an auto just smash the go pedal and modulate with the brake till you need to walk on the other guy. I tried it racing what I thought to be a stock 84 vette which = slow so I thought it might be a good race. Wrong. Little did I know he was packin a 400 inch stroker and a 6 speed.

omnivore

· #7 · May 17, 2005

Man..I wonder if I could have gotten that 427 Camaro that beat me by a couple lengths that way?!?LOL

Ben Paquin

· #8 · May 17, 2005

I use the slip/dump clutch technique. Double clutching it's called I beleive F&F style lol. I rev to 6K build boost and dump/slip the clutch in 3rd or 4th gear. Of course you need a great clutch to do this, I had a stage III feramic with heavy pressure plate. It's probably hard on the tranny too

I get over a car lenght like this, works especially good if you have a bigger than stock turbo say a T3/T4 that is laggy.

badassperformance

Discussion Starter · #9 · May 17, 2005

Ben Paquin said:
I use the slip/dump clutch technique. Double clutching it's called I beleive F&F style lol. I rev to 6K build boost and dump/slip the clutch in 3rd or 4th gear. Of course you need a great clutch to do this, I had a stage III feramic with heavy pressure plate. It's probably hard on the tranny too

I get over a car lenght like this, works especially good if you have a bigger than stock turbo say a T3/T4 that is laggy.

The 'brake torque' seems to work a little better, but I have used the 'dump it' method many times when I didn't have time to torque it up!

minimopar

· #10 · May 17, 2005

Dude, I drive my T1 automatic Daytona like that all the time. I have to. It's such a slug off the line or any time that it is not in boost for that matter. I should just remove the throttle plate and drive with the brakes. LOL. Sometimes as I am coming to a stop I see that I will have to accelerate hard shortly, so I'll swap feet the start applying gas and brake, but since I am coming to a stop and tranny downshifts into first. Let me tell you, that is one HARD shift. Heh.

badassperformance

Discussion Starter · #11 · May 18, 2005

Sometimes a necesity with an automagic, but more fun with a 5-speed... :thumb:

Ben Paquin

· #12 · May 21, 2005

BadAssPerformance said:
The 'brake torque' seems to work a little better, but I have used the 'dump it' method many times when I didn't have time to torque it up!

I don't know I've tried both and I think the clutch dump is better depending on how you do it. I like to slip the clutch a little before dumping. You got the torque multiplication advantage. A little hard on the clutch, but the feramic took it on a daily basis.

badassperformance

Discussion Starter · #13 · May 21, 2005

Ben Paquin said:
I don't know I've tried both and I think the clutch dump is better depending on how you do it. I like to slip the clutch a little before dumping. You got the torque multiplication advantage. A little hard on the clutch, but the feramic took it on a daily basis.

How high of boost did you brake torque from? Gas and brake pedal to the floor? 15+ psi?

FTT843

· #14 · May 21, 2005

i would imagine an auto would be much better from a roll you can manualy hold it at a high rpm.... i do it it the temo to make it seem fast LOL

badassperformance

Discussion Starter · #15 · May 21, 2005

FTT843 said:
i would imagine an auto would be much better from a roll you can manualy hold it at a high rpm.... i do it it the temo to make it seem fast LOL

You can do it with a 5-speed too!

Ondonti

· #16 · May 22, 2005

I wish I had something to spool :kaboom:

badassperformance

Discussion Starter · #17 · May 26, 2005

Ondonti said:
I wish I had something to spool :kaboom:

well, go fix that! :thumb:

Shelby VNT

· #18 · May 26, 2005

I've tried it once, but thought it was a bad idea. I didn't want to melt my Fiberides, and with my luck, my clutch would have started slipping.

badassperformance

Discussion Starter · #19 · May 26, 2005

Shelby VNT said:
I've tried it once, but thought it was a bad idea. I didn't want to melt my Fiberides, and with my luck, my clutch would have started slipping.

Yeah, gotta be careful... :thumb:

Mopar_Nutz

· #20 · May 27, 2005

Well this just cost me a race today. I boosted it up against a local well modded Z24 Cavy. He then dropped his revs and matched speed beside me to yell, "thats not fair!!!" I reply with "what isn't?". He says "You've got a turbo! I can hear it!!!!"

Crap! hahaha

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