Ideas on possible 1/4mile time?
84 Rampage, apx. 2300lbs. removed rear bumper and carpet, everything else is there. right now it has a .460 lift mopar purple cam, bigger springs, mopar high rpm lifters and sintered iron rockers. also an msd6al, blaster 2 coil, weber 38mm, and a hooker header. I believe Im making around 120hp right now. New parts to go in are a mallory unilite and a 66ci b/m supercharger. Lastly, the 3sp was swapped for an a525 five sp. (heim conversion). 87 shelby z clutch kit and an 85 omni turbo flywheel. So once I have the supercharger on it should be around 170-180hp. then a wideband and the engine will be complete, for now. Just curious what you guys think, planning on hitting the strip in the near future. Thanks
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Anyone have the exact weight? One brochure I have says 2300. Also, would 15in pizzas or 14in rally rims weigh more? total weight apx. 2460 @180hp and I could make it into the 13's possibly. We'll see how the 525 holds up.
I expect you to be sorely dissappointed when you run a string of mid 15s.
Ive got a road test for the supercharger kit on an '84 SC. The car was stock and ran a 17.2, after the installation of the blower and a 38/38 it ran a 16.1. Granted the SC is a bit heavier, and you do have a few more mods. However I still doubt youll break out of the 15s.
If you want you can just send me the blower(for my new Omni project) and I'll send you enough turbo parts to get deep into the 13s! ;D
Ive got a road test for the supercharger kit on an '84 SC. The car was stock and ran a 17.2, after the installation of the blower and a 38/38 it ran a 16.1. Granted the SC is a bit heavier, and you do have a few more mods. However I still doubt youll break out of the 15s.
If you want you can just send me the blower(for my new Omni project) and I'll send you enough turbo parts to get deep into the 13s! ;D
A friend is still trying to break into the 14's with his supercharged Turismo. Problem with super charging you're very limited to amount of boost you can run.
I am 14.5 at 97mph at 12psi with my 2.5L Turbo GLH.
I am 14.5 at 97mph at 12psi with my 2.5L Turbo GLH.
@vntned- Haha I heard about your guy's new omni, man that thing is begging for the weber dcoe's! Its n/a, right? sc is going in the Rampage for now, thanks for the offer 
I see your in Az, your talking about blown84turismo, right? His Turismo is scary fast, Im surprised its not running faster than 15's. Im basing my engine off of his, but still have a ways to go. But its a few hundred pounds lighter to. :fingersx::fingersx:A friend is still trying to break into the 14's with his supercharged Turismo. Problem with super charging you're very limited to amount of boost you can run.
I am 14.5 at 97mph at 12psi with my 2.5L Turbo GLH.
I already did the Weber DCOEs. Unsuccessfully. I was held back by a broken valve spring, the big cam that Marty just bent valves with(ask him 'bout it) and a lack of carb experience!
This new Omni is gonna be a fairly stock 2.2HO that I can enjoy year round without a bunch of breakdowns! A carbd GLH clone/tribute so to speak!
Ive said it before, if youre going for speed then youre wasting your time with a carbd motor. Turbo is cheaper and way easier to go fast! However, if you just want something unique and fun to drive a carbd 2.2 dodge is excellent!
Ive done a lot both ways in one car(my last GLH). I got it as a bone stock HO car, added a MP767 cam and the MP race header with a 2.25'' exhaust. I drove it that way for a long time. It wasnt blindingly fast, but was peppy and a ton of fun! Then I tried to go bad boy carb setup with dual sidedrafts, big cam and compression etc. I ran into one issue after another and broke stuff constantly. Changed back to a mild carb setup with the MP767, weber 32/36, and a cut head for compression. I drove it that way for awhile and got great mpgs and was a lot of fun. I ended up getting the itch so I T1 swapped it with just a few mild mods, it absolutely ripped! Hung with my buddys modded Z28 LS1 for the first three gears!
This new Omni is gonna be a fairly stock 2.2HO that I can enjoy year round without a bunch of breakdowns! A carbd GLH clone/tribute so to speak!
Ive said it before, if youre going for speed then youre wasting your time with a carbd motor. Turbo is cheaper and way easier to go fast! However, if you just want something unique and fun to drive a carbd 2.2 dodge is excellent!
Ive done a lot both ways in one car(my last GLH). I got it as a bone stock HO car, added a MP767 cam and the MP race header with a 2.25'' exhaust. I drove it that way for a long time. It wasnt blindingly fast, but was peppy and a ton of fun! Then I tried to go bad boy carb setup with dual sidedrafts, big cam and compression etc. I ran into one issue after another and broke stuff constantly. Changed back to a mild carb setup with the MP767, weber 32/36, and a cut head for compression. I drove it that way for awhile and got great mpgs and was a lot of fun. I ended up getting the itch so I T1 swapped it with just a few mild mods, it absolutely ripped! Hung with my buddys modded Z28 LS1 for the first three gears!
I hope my next vehicle will be a TD after reading that, thanks!! My goal was to keep the Rampage stock, but decided as long as it seems to be from the outside, Its alright. I was planning on running the Dual webers, have the air cleaners and found the intakes on ebay. Im just a linkage kit away from setting it up. Once the sc kit came up on Ebay my plans were changed. Thats about as far as I can take it since I want to be able to drive it on a regular basis. Your progress greatly interests me, Thanks for your input.
Unfortunately.. no. You may be able to crack high 14s on street tires or a little lower on slicks (~14.6 at best?) but it is also entirely possible you will land somewhere in the mid 15s depending on tuning and driving variables.2460 @180hp and I could make it into the 13's possibly
TURISMO2.2L is his name. Boost kicks in instantly, but he can only get 7-9 psi out of it.I see your in Az, your talking about blown84turismo, right? His Turismo is scary fast, Im surprised its not running faster than 15's. Im basing my engine off of his, but still have a ways to go. But its a few hundred pounds lighter to. :fingersx::fingersx:
Yeah his Turismo is a monster. Lucky enough to go for a ride in it. Never heard of something better sounding that a blown 2.2. I wonder if he was having traction issues or now, was he running on street radials? Any ideas on weight difference between 15in 4lug pizzas or 14in 4lug rally rims?
Even a 16 seconds minivan have traction issue. Nature of FWD with low end torque.
I think he had drag tires on, but I wasn't there. His trap speed was around 86mph, which is makes it a 15 second car.
I think he had drag tires on, but I wasn't there. His trap speed was around 86mph, which is makes it a 15 second car.
My 85 Turismo 2.2 with ported head, OS valves, Weber 32/36, UD pulley, 180 t-stat, stock exhaust manifold, 2.25 exhaust w/ no cat, SC cam sprocket (the SC/GLH cam sprockets were advanced 4 degrees on the carbed cars), timing at 14 degrees, all emissions stuff removed, ran a best of 16.81 @ 80.0mph. This car was full interior, no weight reductions other than taking the spare and jack out of it. I think on a colder day I might have been able to get it down to a 16.5, but I don't think it would do much better than that. Putting the long tube header on I had would have helped but I never got around to it.
The 2.2 carb motors are hard to make power out of from my experience. Fun cars forsure but not ripping fast. I think with a lot of tuning and some work on traction a high 14 could be in your future. You definitely have weight on your side and you will gain more with the 5 speed swap forsure.
You know you always have my help. I have enough turbo parts to put her in the 12's :thumb:
But I will help you run her at the track come spring time when it's all set up
You know you always have my help. I have enough turbo parts to put her in the 12's :thumb:
But I will help you run her at the track come spring time when it's all set up
I think people just put their mods in the wrong places with n/a cars. There have been two tbi omnis that i know of that got into the 14s, and imo the carb cars have a better-breathing induction setup.
If i was building an n/a motor i'd get a tallblock 2.5, put flat-top carb 2.2 pistons on it, a STOCK 782 head (i think this gets you close to 11:1 cr) and then deck it to bump cr even more. If you can jet the carb high enough to run e85 through it id get as much CR as i could. Probably wouldnt mod the intake other than a lot of carb spacer. I'd pick the cam based on the airflow abilities of the carb setup. Dont know any numbers on that.. would need an adjustable cam gear either way. Cheapie pt lifters, cheapie 3.3 springs, aluminum flywheel, skip the udp, lowest gearing possible (3.85 trans +20 inch slicks).. AND A WIDEBAND. Not really concerned about a header, honestly.
If you picked the right cam for it and actually tuned it in i dont see why that couldnt crack into 14s in an l-body.
If i was building an n/a motor i'd get a tallblock 2.5, put flat-top carb 2.2 pistons on it, a STOCK 782 head (i think this gets you close to 11:1 cr) and then deck it to bump cr even more. If you can jet the carb high enough to run e85 through it id get as much CR as i could. Probably wouldnt mod the intake other than a lot of carb spacer. I'd pick the cam based on the airflow abilities of the carb setup. Dont know any numbers on that.. would need an adjustable cam gear either way. Cheapie pt lifters, cheapie 3.3 springs, aluminum flywheel, skip the udp, lowest gearing possible (3.85 trans +20 inch slicks).. AND A WIDEBAND. Not really concerned about a header, honestly.
If you picked the right cam for it and actually tuned it in i dont see why that couldnt crack into 14s in an l-body.
....2460 @180hp and I could make it into the 13's possibly....
Using my drag strip calculator that wt and that hp at the tire would be a 13.98, but I don't think in reality you will see that much hp at the tire.
My formula...take the total wt of the car and driver, multiply by 200, then divide by the ET three times to find the at the tire hp. Once you figure out your at the tire hp then you can refigure a new et based on a lighter wt. For example, take 2360 total wt and that 180 hp....
2360 x 200 = 472,000...now divide by that 180 hp = 2622.2222222, now get the cube rte of that number to find your new et.....13.789
Using my drag strip calculator that wt and that hp at the tire would be a 13.98, but I don't think in reality you will see that much hp at the tire.
My formula...take the total wt of the car and driver, multiply by 200, then divide by the ET three times to find the at the tire hp. Once you figure out your at the tire hp then you can refigure a new et based on a lighter wt. For example, take 2360 total wt and that 180 hp....
2360 x 200 = 472,000...now divide by that 180 hp = 2622.2222222, now get the cube rte of that number to find your new et.....13.789
I dropped weight on a 87 Horizon, added GLH gears and 15" wheels. Then a Weber and a header with 2.5" exhaust and a CAI. Leaving the long block stock and got the car barely into the 13s. That weight is near the weight of a stock 86 GLHS and with slicks I could get a new stocker to go 13s easy.....2460 @180hp and I could make it into the 13's possibly....
Using my drag strip calculator that wt and that hp at the tire would be a 13.98, but I don't think in reality you will see that much hp at the tire.
My formula...take the total wt of the car and driver, multiply by 200, then divide by the ET three times to find the at the tire hp. Once you figure out your at the tire hp then you can refigure a new et based on a lighter wt. For example, take 2360 total wt and that 180 hp....
2360 x 200 = 472,000...now divide by that 180 hp = 2622.2222222, now get the cube rte of that number to find your new et.....13.789
Another car I worked with on teamomni took his interior out but left the heavy glass. Stock 85 GLH NA otherwise. Then header, 767 and Weber. 14.0 on street tires. With slicks and the right alignment and a real driver and 13s don't sound far fetched to me either
I dropped weight on a 87 Horizon, added GLH gears and 15" wheels. Then a Weber and a header with 2.5" exhaust and a CAI. Leaving the long block stock and got the car barely into the 13s. That weight is near the weight of a stock 86 GLHS and with slicks I could get a new stocker to go 13s easy.
Another car I worked with on teamomni took his interior out but left the heavy glass. Stock 85 GLH NA otherwise. Then header, 767 and Weber. 14.0 on street tires. With slicks and the right alignment and a real driver and 13s don't sound far fetched to me either
You do know we are talking about the 1/4mile, right?!
yup, I shouldn't say it was "easy", it took some driving.You do know we are talking about the 1/4mile, right?!
Weigh in NA is ten times more important than with our turbos. You need enough force to turn a handle before any work can be done. So all the HP in the world doesn't help when you don't have enough cranking force to get the ball rolling in the first place. This is why Hondas run around on the street stripped with even a plastic windshield.
We took out all glass but the windshield, including window crank steel and back door locks. No interior but the stock dash and a drivers seat. Stripped the engine compartment of all EGR and added a Weber and a tube header to the engine. The trans went from 3.05 to the 3.87 gears, drastically raising our effecting torque rating at the wheels. Then added 205 50 tires and kept the light weight brakes.
The first three things you buy when building a race car, gears tires and a header. The next three things are the three C's, cam, compression and carberation. We at least got a carb. Lastly preparing the car for racing, in this case weight reduction and removing it from the rear of the car. This great change in front to rear weight bias also makes a massive difference. Then drive it like you stole it :thumb:
The cars nick name was the trash can, TD member here cut a Walmart steel trash can long ways and mounted it on the hood as a scoop. He "tried" lying to me about what it was too lol. It did the job though, cold clean air right at the carb though. I have many stories on the trash can kills, it shamed people really bad.
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