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Good news i just got the car on the road today. but now i can tell more of a story of what it does now, still has low power from idle to about 22-2500 rpm
and is kind of rough running like it has a miss.
things i have changed lately and has fixed major probs are:
fuel pressure regulator
ignition coil
TPS
plugs
cleaned the cap and rotor
fuel filter
and other things

i need to check my fuel pressure, is there a way to build one for cheap>
also is the map sensor the one just under the dash with a small tube going to it?
is still missing power
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Either buy the fuel pressure gauge, or rent one from a parts store. Though with all the hackjobs out there ruining their tools, I can see why renting one would be a questionable decision, though I was told they were tested at each return/rental,

Your MAP sensor will be on your logic module, which is located behind your passenger kickpanel, on the right side of the car, under the dash.

I would verify timing is spot on, and be sure to get your timing belt tensioned right. While running at idle, the belt should ride in the center of the camshaft sprocket. Running to the inside is loose, to the outside is tight. Running too tight can cause a snapped camshaft and camshaft journal gouging, loose can cause timing jumps, etc.

So recheck timing first, and time your distributor (with the Collant Temp Sensor unplugged while warm) to 12* BTDC.

You will also have to check fuel pressure while driving, for this bring a buddy. With the fuel pressure gauge taped to the windshield, go for a ride, and see what pressures you get. IIRC the Lancer does not have a vaccum/boost gauge, so this would ba a good time to get a "test gauge" and tape alongside the FP gauge while driving, it is important to know the fuel pressure levels in relationship to engine vacuum/boost.

At idle (16-20 in-HG [inches of mercury, or vaccum]) fuel pressure should be between 43 and 46 PSI, 43 being a low reading. For every 2 inches of vacuum increase, your fuel pressure should increase 1 psi. So at "atmospheric pressure" which is 0 psi boost/vacuum, you should have 55 psi of fuel pressure or within a lb or two of pressure. For every lb of boost, your fuel pressure should increase 1 psi.

45 PSI Fuel Pressure at idle~20 in-HG of vacuum
20 divided by 2 = 10
at atmospheric pressure, the fuel pressure should be at 55 psi.

An easy test of this is to disconenct your vacuum line from your fuel pressure regulator. Note, engine speeds iwll increase as you are creating a vacuum leak, and car may run slightly rougher, as you are pushing more fuel through that "necessary" at idle.

Fuel Pressure should read~55 PSI.

Now with the vac gause and FP gauge taped to the windshield (and SAFELY conencted, cannot stess this enough, especially on a log car. Gas will leak right onto the exhaust manifold and turbo=kaboom) go for a ride. At 9 psi (stock boost limit during accelleration) you should have a fuel pressure reading of 64 PSI, or very close to it.

It should fall and hold to 7 psi under heavy accelleration, normal operation, and FP will be around 62. You catch what I am trying to say here.

If you have good fuel pressure at idle, with the vac line connected and disconnected, but low FP while driving, it is a safe bet that your pump is slowly dying, you have a restriction/clog in your fuel lines, or both. If it cannot hold steady pressure, more than liekly your fuel pressure regulator is going bad, and may need replaced.

Good luck with the testing :thumb: hope this helps
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i did install a vac/boost gauge need to mount it but at idle it reads 25-30 inches of vacume from what i am reading that is not good
i am going to try to find a friend with a fuel pressure gauge today
ok i did some more testing started pulling plug wires with it running cylinders 2-3-4 are ok when i pulled #1 no change so that one is not firing the question is why i need ideas fuel injector i have spark compression? how do you check a injector?
Have you checked for fault codes?
Not sure I understood, did you state you had spark and compression on #1 or you did not yet check?
Without a fuel pressure gauge and injector tester you cannot check the injector flow itself.
You can check resistance across the injector terminals and you can swap that injector with another to see if the problem then moves to that cylinder.
Just jump the two prongs on the injector, you should hear it click when power is applied. Or you can swap two injectors and see if the problem follows the injector around. Almost think on the log cars #1 and #2 injs are diff than the other two though, so swap those if any.
Sorry naj, shouldve hit refresh lol
Not a problem, can use all the help I can get especially with an 86 fuel system.
Have you checked for fault codes?
Not sure I understood, did you state you had spark and compression on #1 or you did not yet check?
Without a fuel pressure gauge and injector tester you cannot check the injector flow itself.
You can check resistance across the injector terminals and you can swap that injector with another to see if the problem then moves to that cylinder.
i have spark but have not checked compression.
you said to swap injectors and see if the prob moves with the swap?
what resistance should i see on a good injector?
I have to check, not sure on the 86 T-1 injectors, the newer injectors are 2.4 ohms.

Be sure to check for fault codes which will tell you if there is a problem with the injector control circuit.
What does the spark plug condition on #1 plug look like compared to the others, any fouling, gap bridging, etc?
I would run a compression test on the engine regardless to see where you stand in that dept, but it's pretty easy run jumper wires to the injector to make sure it's firing. I'd do that first
the plugs are brand new ill pull them in a few but the old ones did not look bad at all
and the only code i have pulled is over boost cause the rubber hose going to the waste gate broke off from age
ok say that injector is bad what other cars use the same injectors or where can i get one cheap
Any 84-87 2.2L T-1 uses the same 27 PPH injectors.
what is the best way to remove the injectors?
what is the best way to remove the injectors?
to start I would buy MP 803s. Injectors once old don't open and shut right costing fuel mileage if for no other reason.

Log cars you take the bolts out of the heat shield first. Then over the shield and the fuel rail is sliding clips. Those get pulled. Then your down to the injectors. Pull out the 4 bolts holding the rail down. Then with a big screw driver slowly work the rail loose from the intake. Then it'll come out and change the injectors one at a time. Buy the cheap little rebuild kits for the injectors for new seals and caps. Pretty easy on everything but a 2 piece intake lol
could a injector suck open make a cylinder not fire?
Yes but you would be rich with a fouled plug and probably black smoke.
Yes but you would be rich with a fouled plug and probably black smoke.
or wash the cylinder blowing blue smoke lol

doesn't take a lot to cause a miss fire and often no smoke just fuel out the pipe even
well this is what it is doing black\blue smoke and the plug was wet last time i pulled it out
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