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$50k??? yikes.
they are nice cars, but not *that* nice.
 

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Man, I went that direction. I did Supras for while to get away from TD cars(luckily before F&F came out). They are heavy on maintenance and expensive on that end as well. Fun cars though.
 

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xrattiracer said:
$50k??? yikes.
they are nice cars, but not *that* nice.
For a 700+ HP already modded and tuned car I'd say that's not too unreasonable......
Stock TT Supras are in the $20K range...
 

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For a 700+ HP already modded and tuned car I'd say that's not too unreasonable......
Stock TT Supras are in the $20K range...
I think I'd rather buy a stock one and build it myself. At least that way I'd know with absolute certainty the quality of the build, rather than pay an extra 25-30 grand, and HOPE it was built right. At least that's my approach to performance.
 

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Frank said:
I would rather take a Lexus IS300 which uses the 2JZ motor, and turbocharge it and do up the suspension. It is already a nicely balanced and clean car. A few people make a nice turbo kit. I might be doing this for a friend who has an IS300.

See here:
http://www.squirrelpf.com/site/index.php?page=Future+Project+Page


Frank
Yeah that, or an SC300. SC300's are much cheaper and can be swapped to 2JZGTE as well.
 

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hmmm... SUPRA...2JZGTE...

There is a bud of mine with an SC300 with a modded 2JZGTE engine transplanted in it....

He has lots of videos of him street racing Bikes, vipers, porsches, etc....

hard to hang with the top end on a car with 700+whp... it is flat out amazing.....

They never stop pulling.... I have firsthand knowledge of these cars.... believe me, they are quality, through and through....

Fastest I have ever been was in a Supra.... 190mph.... and we were coming up on traffic... it was an 850+whp automatic car... plum wicked nasty all the way, but got 30+mpg on the highway and 25 mpg driving around town.... on C-16... hehe.... :cool: gotta love that pretty clean exhaust tip grey-white beauty.... nothing like race gas with boost, the only way to roll.... YEAH!!!

Dangit... there I go again, dreaming of owning a real super car.....

RYNO
 

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Fifty-large? Why not buy a used Viper for $30,000 and have change leftover to make it faster?
 

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Can the Viper rev to 9,000 rpm on a stock longblock and make 1000+WHP on a stock longblock?

Can it get more than 15MPG in stock or modified trim?

Is it affordable to insure?

Can you haul anything besides the a$$ of 2 people uncomfortably?

Can you get one that makes 850+whp, runs a sub 11 second et with a 135mph+ trap on street tires?

Has the convenience of a automatic transmission?

Just some thoughts to ponder before dumping $30K in a viper that will mostly only pull skirt, but get outran by true supercars and fast street cars......

Not hating on VIpers, they are bada$$ machines... but this is how I sum it up...

Potentials are logical....

A fat kid is usually not the best runner....
An ugly girl is not going to marry the rich guy unless he is inebriated....
a long stroke, medium bore, poor flowing 2 valve head 10 cylinder engine
will not have as much useable power as a tiny little 6 cylinder with a huge freakin' turbo...

:thumb:

Ryno

It's all good... most of the time... unless you smell turbododge.... ugh....
 

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Turbofreak said:
Can the Viper rev to 9,000 rpm on a stock longblock and make 1000+WHP on a stock longblock?

Can it get more than 15MPG in stock or modified trim?

Is it affordable to insure?

Can you haul anything besides the a$$ of 2 people uncomfortably?

Can you get one that makes 850+whp, runs a sub 11 second et with a 135mph+ trap on street tires?

Has the convenience of a automatic transmission?

Just some thoughts to ponder before dumping $30K in a viper that will mostly only pull skirt, but get outran by true supercars and fast street cars......

Not hating on VIpers, they are bada$$ machines... but this is how I sum it up...

Potentials are logical....

A fat kid is usually not the best runner....
An ugly girl is not going to marry the rich guy unless he is inebriated....
a long stroke, medium bore, poor flowing 2 valve head 10 cylinder engine
will not have as much useable power as a tiny little 6 cylinder with a huge freakin' turbo...

:thumb:

Ryno

It's all good... most of the time... unless you smell turbododge.... ugh....
Yeah, and I'd like to see you get a Supra and build it up for less than you can buy Hennessey's fastest Viper package... (Venom 1000 twin turbo) :rolleyes:
 

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Turbofreak said:
He has lots of videos of him street racing Bikes, vipers, porsches, etc....

hard to hang with the top end on a car with 700+whp... it is flat out amazing.....

They never stop pulling.... I have firsthand knowledge of these cars.... believe me, they are quality, through and through....

Dangit... there I go again, dreaming of owning a real super car.....

RYNO


An '87 GN must be a extra super-"Supercar" since they can run in the 7's? ;)

A Supra is not a supercar. They ran low 14's stock...hardly qualifies as supercar territory to me. My VNT Shadow must be a supercar once I start boosting it. A 900whp Supra is one heck of a super car.... but not a "supercar" in my book. Trashing on Vipers and Vettes.... I don't remember seeing the Supras kicking arse in GT3 (?) when the Vipers dominated their class back then at the 24 Hours at Lemans.

Someone in my home state that I plan on doing some machine work in the near future has a twin turboed Viper GTS. close to 750 whp on the STOCK engine. 7psi of boost. Go to: www.F1dyno.com to see his shop and his car. He plans on going for much more soon.

I do agree the Viper motor is yestertech.... but you forget how much racing research they have in the LA smallblock over the years. (40) The V-10 is based off the 360, which is based off possibly the baddest smallblock ever...the 340.
 

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Also want to point out.... 190mph top speed in a Daytona would take a little over 400whp if we had the proper gearing. There's quite few here on TD.com who have these kinds of #s, but not the gearing. I think a stock GTS Viper is around 180?
 

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My Camaro turned sub 11 second ETs and trapped in the 130s on sticky street tires--and did it on PUMP GAS. It too has the convenience of an automatic tranny, and seats four. 750 whp may be a big deal for a V6, but a well-thought-out V8 can do it without C16. Want another example? Consider the '03-present Mustang Cobra. Just over a week ago, I saw an '03 Cobra put down nearly 800 rwhp--and the car's never even had a valve cover off. I was reading in one of the Mustang magazines recently, about a guy who's going to pull the blower and swap twin turbos onto his Cobra. It's expected to make over 1,000 hp with unported heads and intakes. That motor was built for boost with an extremely stout shortblock and free-breathing 4-valve heads. If you want to talk potential, I'd say that motor has much more than the Supra engine. As far as the 9,000 rpm redline, V8s don't need to attain stratospheric rpms to make power. As far as the 190? mph top speed, I have no desire to drive 190 mph on public roads.
The Supras are nice cars, but let's keep things in perspective. Ultimately, the Viper, or an American V8 will eat them alive. In the end, there is no replacement for displacement. A smaller displacement motor(4 or 6 cylinder), with forced induction, can embarass a naturally aspirated V8 or V10, but, assemble a well-engineered forced induction package for the larger engine, and the smaller one is hopelessly outgunned. If this wasn't true, V6s would be competitive in the upper echelon of NHRA drag classes.
 

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The IS300 is the easiest. Including cost of a 2001 car, you could have a 600hp, well tuned with suspension for around $31k. They are terror!
 

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My Camaro turned sub 11 second ETs and trapped in the 130s on sticky street tires--and did it on PUMP GAS. It too has the convenience of an automatic tranny, and seats four. 750 whp may be a big deal for a V6, but a well-thought-out V8 can do it without C16. Want another example? Consider the '03-present Mustang Cobra. Just over a week ago, I saw an '03 Cobra put down nearly 800 rwhp--and the car's never even had a valve cover off. I was reading in one of the Mustang magazines recently, about a guy who's going to pull the blower and swap twin turbos onto his Cobra. It's expected to make over 1,000 hp with unported heads and intakes. That motor was built for boost with an extremely stout shortblock and free-breathing 4-valve heads. If you want to talk potential, I'd say that motor has much more than the Supra engine. As far as the 9,000 rpm redline, V8s don't need to attain stratospheric rpms to make power. As far as the 190? mph top speed, I have no desire to drive 190 mph on public roads.
The Supras are nice cars, but let's keep things in perspective. Ultimately, the Viper, or an American V8 will eat them alive. In the end, there is no replacement for displacement. A smaller displacement motor(4 or 6 cylinder), with forced induction, can embarass a naturally aspirated V8 or V10, but, assemble a well-engineered forced induction package for the larger engine, and the smaller one is hopelessly outgunned. If this wasn't true, V6s would be competitive in the upper echelon of NHRA drag classes.
You are right and wrong. The I6 of the supra is only a 3.0L!!!! Your cobra cars have 2liters more!!!! That is a huge difference. A properly matched blower/turbo to a V8 is like adding a rocket to the engine. But that is the same for all cars. The rev's on cars just mean that the bore is bigger then the stroke, so they make more power there... its a feature and should not be treated as bad.


Frank

PS. Just to prove that I do see where you are coming from, I want to take a Focus RS, put the RWD kit in it, and use the Ford Racing overbored 4.6 block (5.0 cammer block), then destroke it back to a 4.6. Put the racing heads on, and racing valve train. Then design my own intake and then twin turbo it with GT28R turbos. On 8psi.... it should put down 800whp with managable torque (since I have broadened the power band with about 1500rpm more then the 7000 rpms of the cammer motor). In addition, I would like to substitue the live axle in the back of the Focus with a G50 porche transmission and use a torque tube to connect the front and the rear. This would give me optimal weight balance and should allow for incredible handling and hookup.
 
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