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Would you consider changing the turbo without pulling the head a benefit?

Sure would, along with better flow, more hp, more efficiency. Only drawback I see is that he no longer loves us.:eek:
 

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You should read what he wrote on the other site...
One thing I do have to say though, is that there is lots less vendor drama around here.
 

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you have to port your turbine to use it and a little match porting. Then mine had a pile of metal shavings in it. It is for people that are doing a ton of mods, not just a few. I am modding my water lines to the heater to make the header fit. It isn't that great in an L body, I think they should mave moved it over like they did, but they could have moved it over a whole 2" less than they did and made life easier. My big valve head and my TU header and finished (thank god) intake are going to the flow bench. Hoping the TU header flows what the head flows, I think it will.

Everyone has there opinions. I like TUs exhaust and the fact they sell cast exhaust parts. You must be ready to wait. If you are doing a build that'll take a long time to complete order parts from TU early. They show up someday but take time. But exhaust is always needed and they spent some money on our exhaust.

Person side? Well I think Chris is a hot head and has that real short fuse. I have talked with him on forums and on the phone and found him not friendly. But you don't have to be friendly to sell something good. Cindy on the other hand is very friendly with a nitrous personality, I've always bought a lot from FWD. If they have it I get it fast, if they don't I hear about it and expect it. FM? I don't really think they have much intrest in TDs unless it is huge money. Then I'm not realy sure the point of there heads or the FAST systems. Sure FAST systems rule, but less than 1% need it. Then the CNC $2,300 heads? I can not force a lower half of a 2 piece to keep up with my garage ported head. Then the bottom ends they do are really cool and less than 1% can use them too. I do love there GT turbo line and the guy that is there is always eating when you call them lol.
 

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He's not eating, it's his thick eastern accent that just makes him almost impossible to understand. Sounds like they dragged him out of the backwoods of inbredville. There is NO WAY I'd have someone that sounded like that answering the phone for my business.
 

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if you go through some of the FM threads you will get the same thing though. Many think he is eating while on the phone lol
 

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you have to port your turbine to use it and a little match porting. Then mine had a pile of metal shavings in it. It is for people that are doing a ton of mods, not just a few. I am modding my water lines to the heater to make the header fit. It isn't that great in an L body, I think they should mave moved it over like they did, but they could have moved it over a whole 2" less than they did and made life easier. My big valve head and my TU header and finished (thank god) intake
You're welcome for finding you a welder :)
 

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you have to port your turbine to use it and a little match porting. Then mine had a pile of metal shavings in it. It is for people that are doing a ton of mods, not just a few. I am modding my water lines to the heater to make the header fit. It isn't that great in an L body, I think they should mave moved it over like they did, but they could have moved it over a whole 2" less than they did and made life easier. My big valve head and my TU header and finished (thank god) intake are going to the flow bench. Hoping the TU header flows what the head flows, I think it will.

Everyone has there opinions. I like TUs exhaust and the fact they sell cast exhaust parts. You must be ready to wait. If you are doing a build that'll take a long time to complete order parts from TU early. They show up someday but take time. But exhaust is always needed and they spent some money on our exhaust.

Person side? Well I think Chris is a hot head and has that real short fuse. I have talked with him on forums and on the phone and found him not friendly. But you don't have to be friendly to sell something good. Cindy on the other hand is very friendly with a nitrous personality, I've always bought a lot from FWD. If they have it I get it fast, if they don't I hear about it and expect it. FM? I don't really think they have much intrest in TDs unless it is huge money. Then I'm not realy sure the point of there heads or the FAST systems. Sure FAST systems rule, but less than 1% need it. Then the CNC $2,300 heads? I can not force a lower half of a 2 piece to keep up with my garage ported head. Then the bottom ends they do are really cool and less than 1% can use them too. I do love there GT turbo line and the guy that is there is always eating when you call them lol.
Are you talking about the new cast piece?

I have seen pictures on the other site and its a lot more then "a little" gasket matching. A full 1/4" to be removed from 3 sides of the flange is just sloppy. Its not going to help your turbine flow after all that porting either.
We are talking about massive amounts of porting unless you do a crappy job and just round off the edges instead of tapering the gasket matching into the turbine like you should.

I dont agree that fancy exhaust manifolds are for people with lots of mods. I would want to upgrade my manifold regardless of my HP goals. But thats how I roll.
 

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Forgive a noob but could someone please provide a link to explain a couple of things:

1.Why is Turbosunleashed banned? Did someone get bad parts of something?

2. What is the "other site"? Its not for porn is it?

If you can't post the links you can PM me or whatever. I just want to be in the loop here.
 

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sorry noob can't talk about that! You will be missed tryingbe ...(tounge in cheeck)
 

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Are you talking about the new cast piece?

I have seen pictures on the other site and its a lot more then "a little" gasket matching. A full 1/4" to be removed from 3 sides of the flange is just sloppy. Its not going to help your turbine flow after all that porting either.
We are talking about massive amounts of porting unless you do a crappy job and just round off the edges instead of tapering the gasket matching into the turbine like you should.

I dont agree that fancy exhaust manifolds are for people with lots of mods. I would want to upgrade my manifold regardless of my HP goals. But thats how I roll.
I have TUs cast header. The header has zero inside turn on it and the largest cut is on the inside turn. So you cut a radius in the turbine and make the inside turn with the turbine. The other 3 sides are cut an 1/8" deep into the turbine 2", which raises your AR ratio a tiny bit. Without porting the turbine right the air will shoot across the edge and slam into the side of the turbine. Not a bolt on and use piece and not for some one that isn't doing a lot of other mods and porting.

The header flows the CFM of the big valve heads, the ported manifold barely out runs a stock 655. The other issue is uneven pressure at all of the ports. This causes the combustion temps to change between cylinders. The #4 coolent mod ring a bell? The #4 cylinder flows nearly 40% more than the 1-2 cylinders on a ported stocker. My GLHS is being built to run on a road course not a drag strip. I bet Shadow hits the 500 WHP mark with the ported stocker and a Holset in a street / strip car.

The best header by a long shot is FWD tube header, there is no comparison. It even clocks the turbo a bit to clear your heater lines, which TU made tight for us. It is also a 4 into 2 into 1 Y design and will fight reversion as well as flowing huge. So if you want a tube header there design is great. But tube headers on street cars or track cars die quikly because tube turbo headers melt, period. Running a hybrid the TU header works well to move the turbo from behind the head and remove the nasty 90s. It helps with my water to air setup. Whats laughable is people bolting a T3 to them, way too much BS for that small of a turbo. Let alone not using it. Then I've seen people with a factory intake using it. It is a big valve, hybrid or bigger, and big plenum built intake header. I have all of that and using the F4 cam. So I agree that many should be putting there money else where long before the header helps.
 
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