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power tripin.
, which greedy boost controller are you using,
how did you plumb the intercooler, and pics,
how much better is the crane igniton,
where/who, did the cremic coating on the pistions/ heads.
wny you change the regulator to a cartech,
what gap on the plugs and what kind,

mx 5,
do you have a turbo, on yours,
if so what controller are you using,
and did you add a intercooler,
ignition.
what gap on the plugs, what kind,
any pics,
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bob, what equipment are you using, , and waht are you installing on others,
1. boost controler,
2, intercoolers, ( i know you have the eclipse one,)
3. ignition
4. plugs.
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Basicly any one who,
has installed any stuff above an beyond the stock hahn, turbo race kit,
id like to know what it is and how it has helped,
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my plans are, to keep it at 5 psi, for a short while,
i just installed a bov, egt, a/f ratio, boost, intercooler temp,
fuel press gauges, hi flow fuel filter, high high flow cat.
and soon, a 25 hp nitrous kit, ( rich) then i will plumb in an intercooler, , possibly 2 saab black stones, and a nrp i have
and rasie the boost up 1-2 psi, , and fatten it up,
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then , i will drop the motor , at the end of summer,
and install new rods,( bobs moded turbo ones i think)

then i would liek to add a new oil pump, to increase the oil press, some how.
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then step up to the 10-12 psi, level, while keeping the 10-1 compression,
add new injectors, a boost controler, a knew knock sensor( ??)

i figure this will give me about, 270ish hp, roughly 200 wheel hp.
, this will keep me satisfied, i hope,
is there any thing else, i should, ( or you recomend,) i should do at this level,

any thing wrong with my flow of progress,
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dont worry about , makeing suggestions, that contradict each other,
i wil chose my own path, but would like to know your ideas as i value all your thoughts, and may incorporate them in to my plans
thanks you.
Jospeh.
, id love pics on the inter cooling plumbing,,
as that is such a pain in such a tight spaces.
, heres my basic idea on the inter coolers,
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i want to take out my fog lamps, and stick each saab black stone beind that small intakes,
and mt 15x15 nrp, in the full open grill area,
, i want to actually weld them all with my lincoln weld, with my alunim wire, , should i use 2 inch , or 2.25. or 2.5,,
i just doen know,
im leaning towards the 2.5, and was even thinking about , welding them all into one unit, with plates in stead of tubes,
but i dotn want the air to losse to much pressure,

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PT-Turbo said:
mx 5,
do you have a turbo, on yours,
if so what controller are you using,
and did you add a intercooler,
ignition.
what gap on the plugs, what kind,
any pics
No turbo.
No controller.
No intercooler.
Stock ignition.
Stock Champion #440 plugs gapped at .045.


2002 Dream Cruiser (see below)

 

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PT-Turbo said:
power tripin.
, which greedy boost controller are you using,
how did you plumb the intercooler, and pics,
how much better is the crane igniton,
where/who, did the cremic coating on the pistions/ heads.
wny you change the regulator to a cartech,
what gap on the plugs and what kind,
I am currently using a Greddy Profec A boost controller. The Crane ignition is a must, as the factory unit is not very effective under high-boost (read: high cylinder presssure) conditions.
Ceramic and Dry film coatings were done at Poly-Dyn in Texas. The regualtor in the Hahn kit is a CarTech, I just have the newer version that features larger plumbing.
Plugs are factory OEM, closed down 0.45, wires are Crane.
I custom built my intercooler utilising the core from a Starion ('89) and fabricating my own end-tanks from sheet aluminum. The inlet and outlets run directly beside the radiatior, and are 2.25" at that point.

Brad
 

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Re: Re: Turbo Questions, powertrip, bob, mx5, all

Powertrip said:


I am currently using a Greddy Profec A boost controller. The Crane ignition is a must, as the factory unit is not very effective under high-boost (read: high cylinder presssure) conditions.
Brad
at wich point should i upgrade the ignition,
5psi,
7-8 psi
10-12 psi,

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As soon as you can afford it :)

Brad
 

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, ohh need it that much,, ok, thanks
 

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i found this, any good, '
plasma booster igniton,
 

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PT-Turbo said:
i found this, any good, '
plasma booster igniton,
I wouldn't install that thing on my ex-girlfreinds Ford Pinto.... no matter how much I hate her :)

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lol, thanks,
 

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then , I will drop the motor , at the end of summer,
and install new rods,( bobs molded turbo ones I think)

then I would like to add a new oil pump, to increase the oil press, some how.
.. then step up to the 10-12 psi, level, while keeping the 10-1 compression,
add new injectors, a boost controller, a knew knock sensor( ??)
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** If you keep the 10:1 compression ** ... and run 12 psi boost, ... you are going to need a "stand alone engine management system", ... to tune it!!

We don't have any CONTROL over the ECU, (other than tricking it into working)

You are going the wrong way on compression !!

... the Jap guys can get away with the higher compression, because there are many plug and play engine systems out there for their cars !!

.... now if you have got something in mind for dealing with the very narrow tuning window you will be creating, .... how about sharing that info?!!

.... if you are going off something an import buddy has told you, .... he does not understand the Chrysler ignition/ECU system!! .... "this is not YO mama's FORTUNE COOKIE!"
:} ........ ;)

Bob
 

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yes, even at 5 psi, i can see the problems with the rising rate regulator,
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i have some thoughts about a f-max system
wich just controls 2 extra injectors and keeps a constant 14 to 1 ratio,
or somethign else you pick,
and has a 164 space fuel map,

my freidn runs this system and it is awsome,
i contacted them to see if they can adapt on to my car,
if not , i most likely will have to go full stand alone,
and drop my small lap top in once and a while,
i am still researching it though,, as i have only boosted the 2.2
and import motrs, the 2.2 / 2.0 older motors , was very tough, and you could get away with a lot these 2.4s seem very sensitive , and this computer stuff get more and more daunting,
my turbo omni, was so easy, just a bleed of valve,
then i added a colds start injector with a boost trigger,
and a few small things,
i was running 14 lbs, and that car really woke up,
thanks for the input,
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good news, they can easily adapt it to my car,
and only 500,
im getting more details on if
1.they can add a boost controler, option

2.use it with an up grade ignition,
with automatic ingnition retard upon knock,
and automatic curves acorrding to tps, and boost level, while taking in to account the o2,



if i can get this all to work, in one sytem
this will be the way to go, ,
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things that will be left to do, would be,
a way to fool the comp into thingking all is well,
remove the fule cut out, or rasie it,
and probaly some more i forgot.
 

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what about something like www.sdsefi.com has in the additional injector controller.
I've played with the EIC setups before, and it's a very stout and potent thing, and it allows the stock ECU to do it's own thing whilst the extra injectors take care of the additional fueling needed, and it a lot more affordable than a full standalone system is, though no where near as adjustable.
 

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Yes, Greddy Rebic V is simmilar in function. The Greddy eManage unit that I have also can run up to 2 additional injectors....

Brad
 

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Gary C said:
what about something like www.sdsefi.com has in the additional injector controller.
I've played with the EIC setups before, and it's a very stout and potent thing, and it allows the stock ECU to do it's own thing whilst the extra injectors take care of the additional fueling needed, and it a lot more affordable than a full standalone system is, though no where near as adjustable.
the f-max is very simalr to that.
 

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Did I read that correctly? You are planning to install THREE intercoolers?

If you mount them "in parallel" then it shouldn't be a problem. You'd have a VERY efficient system. With a VERY low pressure drop.

However, from the diagram you drew up, you are planning to run them "in series". That's not a great idea. You increase the pressure loss each time the charge air passes through a new core. IOW, the psi at your compressor outlet will be MUCH higher than what you are seeing in the manifold.
 

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Did I read that correctly? You are planning to install THREE intercoolers?

If you mount them "in parallel" then it shouldn't be a problem. You'd have a VERY efficient system. With a VERY low pressure drop.

However, from the diagram you drew up, you are planning to run them "in series". That's not a great idea. You increase the pressure loss each time the charge air passes through a new core. IOW, the psi at your compressor outlet will be MUCH higher than what you are seeing in the manifold.
I agree, you are much better off using one very good quality (bar and plate style) intercooler, than some conglomeration of three...

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, i would love to get a nice big custom inter cooler,
but alsa, at this point i have to use what i have,
, and since i have the pteazer smotthie grill, i dotn have lots of thick ness avail,
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its all about compermise i guess.

i am expecting some loss,
but the added cooling should help offset it.
, , running them in parell, is suposed to be better,
where did you hear that,
i honestly didnt know there was a diffrece.,
are ther any advers effects,
im guessing not as cold air.
, is there some place i can read about it.
 

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, i would love to get a nice big custom inter cooler,
but alsa, at this point i have to use what i have,
, and since i have the pteazer smotthie grill, i dotn have lots of thick ness avail,
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its all about compermise i guess.

i am expecting some loss,
but the added cooling should help offset it.
, , running them in parell, is suposed to be better,
where did you hear that,
i honestly didnt know there was a diffrece.,
are ther any advers effects,
im guessing not as cold air.
, is there some place i can read about it.
You will have SO much loss, from the different internal volumes of the 3 intercoolers, you will more than likely harm performance far beyond the cooling effect. I too do not have much space in the front, but by fabricatin gmy own core I was able to maximise the space tha tI do have. My core is over 3" taller and 2" wider than the GT intercooler, and it is behind a smaller fascia.

Brad
 
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