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New alternator - no charging - checked everything i think

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#1 · (Edited)
Hei - This is my great old 86 Daytona -turbo in good condition
A painful problem has occured - battery wont charge.

I have changed both ecu (both in car and side of engine)
Checked pluss and minus all the way from alternator to battery
Checked fuses

(NOTE codes are gone - and markers dont blink)
Could this be a fusible link problem - to ecu? ( always feared fusible links)
 
#2 ·
First...
1)I assume you had the battery charged and tested, a faulty battery can create havoc on a charging system.
2)Normal charging voltage across the battery terminals with the engine running is about 13.7 volts.
If you are only reading static battery voltage (12.6 volts on a fully charged battery) then you have a "not charging" issue.
3)If that is the case you need to verify you have 12 volts at the + battery feed at the alternator and that you have 12 volts on both field terminals with the key on/engine off.

If you do not have power at any of those locations, post back.

4)If all of those power feeds check OK verify the alternator is properly grounded.
a)Connect a 12 volt test lamp to the + battery terminal and touch the test lamp to the alternator case, if the lamp illuminates you are grounded.
5)If steps 3 and 4 check OK start the car and verify the field control terminal at the alternator is being pulsed.
a)Connect a 12 volt test lamp to the - battery terminal and with the engine running probe the field control wire/terminal.
The test lamp should flash/flicker on/off constantly.
b)Does it? If yes then the Power Module is controlling the field circuit, if it does not there is an issue in the field control circuit.
Post Back.

I am sending you a PM with wiring and diagnostic info.
 
#3 ·
Thanks for info and privat message. Im reading and reading schemes and trying to understand. This is a hard one for me - already spent 4 days on this. Im trying to do the electric checkin, buts a bit hard for me, im not an expert. At least i think im sure i have main pluss and ground in order - they are connected. So it seems to be something from the field(smaller dark green) into the power module. However the connectors are ok.
I have a spare electric wiring set up in mye livingroom (to my wifes disgrace) , im comparing things with. Perhaps i have to make a youtube video and show you, its really hard to explain. It might be somthing has melted, and gives to many reactions on the 10 pin connector.
BTW - is the power module(in engine room) grounded? -by the holder screws?
 
#4 ·
Strange things are happening.
I took away the whole wiring from alternator to battery, - and put in a spare set-up i had from my other car. Nothing happened -still 12.6 volt.

In desperation i startet checking fuses again - took them all out and- in again. Then i noticed that the relay in the middle of the three, ign-time-relay, was hot, so i put in another one.
Then i did a check on charging - now 14.83????
 
#7 ·
That puts you back to checking power and ground at the alternator.
I will not be back home until Monday where I can get on my laptop and give you more info.
In the meantime do you own a 12 volt test lamp.
You can get an inexpensive test lamp at AutoZone, Harbor Freight, Walmart,etc.

 
#8 ·
3)You need to verify you have 12 volts at the + battery feed at the alternator and that you have 12 volts on both field terminals with the key on/engine off.

If you do not have power at any of those locations, post back.

4)If all of those power feeds check OK verify the alternator is properly grounded.
a)Connect a 12 volt test lamp to the + battery terminal and touch the test lamp to the alternator case, if the lamp illuminates you are grounded.
5)If steps 3 and 4 check OK start the car and verify the field control terminal at the alternator is being pulsed.
a)Connect a 12 volt test lamp to the - battery terminal and with the engine running probe the field control wire/terminal.
The test lamp should flash/flicker on/off constantly.
b)Does it? If yes then the Power Module is controlling the field circuit, if it does not there is an issue in the field control circuit.



 
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Thank you all - and to NAJ -im sorry for late answer - i had to work fast and did this job after all your advise - i never found the problem - i took this from Volt regulator from mye Dodge 024 - and i cut the two field lines to Power module and fuse-box - I works!
 

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Thank you all - and to NAJ -im sorry for late answer - i had to work fast and did this job after all your advise - i never found the problem - i took this from Volt regulator from mye Dodge 024 - and i cut the two field lines to Power module and fuse-box - I works!
I was a nightmare - i think i spent 40 hours om electrical searching and trying different alternators. I think perhaps both my powemodul had a failure. Cause every wiring seemed correct. I probably will never find out.
 
#11 ·
Glad to hear you are up and running/charging properly.
It is common for the internal voltage regulator to fail in the PM and the external voltage regulator install is the correct fix.